Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

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Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 31 Mar 2020 19:48

Did the Panzer Lehr Division, get 5 king Tigers for use in Normandy, or was that later on ?

Side- ?, Were all the King Tigers in Normandy equipped with the ( Krupp aka Porsche Turrets ) ?

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Michael Kenny » 31 Mar 2020 21:00

A Google for (fkl) 316 Tigers in 'images' will show them all.

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 01 Apr 2020 02:57

I have a reference that shows that they received five in February 44, but I have no way of knowing if they still had them in Normandy

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by spannermann » 01 Apr 2020 13:44

Hi,
The five Tiger II were chassis numbers 280001 to 280005, which were the first five production vehicles, all five had been used for test purposes previously and were thus very "second hand" when in Normandy and subject to many breakdowns.

They belonged to PanzerKp(fkl) 316 and were only loosely associated with the Pz Lehr Division at the very beginning of Normandy.

Eventually all five were lost through mechanical problems in the Druex / Chanteaudun area, tactical numbers 02, 10, 11, 12, 13, although an 03 has supposidly been seen, which makes a sixth Tiger II, but no evidence so far as I know. All captured by the US Army, but not fought against by the US Army as all had been abandonned, within a relatively small area.

There may be more up todate information availabe on other forums.

cheers PAUL
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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 01 Apr 2020 15:10

Thank you

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by warriorant » 01 Apr 2020 19:21

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by spannermann » 01 Apr 2020 19:28

Hi,
Excellent photo of 03, so a sixth Tiger II or a renumbered one of the original five ? anybody know ?.

cheers PAUL

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Post by warriorant » 01 Apr 2020 20:19

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 01 Apr 2020 23:49

Schwere Panzerabteilung 503, was then apart from the Panzer Lehr, the only other unit to have King Tigers in Normandy, correct ?

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by spannermann » 02 Apr 2020 00:02

Hi,
In Normandy ;- Tiger II in 1 and 3 Kps /sPzAbt 503, PzKp (fkl) 316 and 1 Kp / sSSPzAbt 101.

cheers PAUL

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 11 Apr 2020 17:55

So, When Panzer Lehr, shifted to the "American" area in Normandy, apparently sans any operational King Tigers(?), This translates into No American (crewed) Tanks fighting King Tigers in Normandy, afik… ?

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by spannermann » 12 Apr 2020 12:31

Hi,
Yes, the King Tiger attachment to Pz Lehr was very brief and almost only a paperwork arrangement.

The first US Army encounter with Tigers I and II was possibly just to the south the R Seine in August 44 (?) but its a confusing situation, with the odd Tiger I straggler trying to get across the R Seine, but definitely they did north of the river Seine in August/September 44, predominently the Tiger II of 1/sSS PzAbt 101 and possibly some from 3/sPzAbt 503.

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 12 Apr 2020 20:57

Thanks

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Brady » 23 Apr 2020 19:15

When did sSS PzAbt 101 arrive in Normandy ?

sPzAbt 503 arrived around the 7th of July

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Re: Panzer Lehr Division and there King Tiger's

Post by Michael Kenny » 23 Apr 2020 19:17

Brady wrote:
23 Apr 2020 19:15
When did sSS PzAbt 101 arrive in Normandy ?

June 13th

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