German self-propelled AA

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 19 Sep 2020 22:30

Hi Hyus,

Yes, these heavy Einheits-PKWs had 2cm Flak 38 guns, which were capable of any rotation in that mounting. Here two pics and a model of this vehicle. On the pics You can see, that this vehicle was not only in action in Northern Africa used by the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Sorry, but I have no idea how many of these vehicles were made.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 19 Sep 2020 22:56

And there was another version of this vehicle (schwerer Einheits-PKW) with the 2cm Flak 38. Here a pic of this version in Charkov 1943 (source of the pic: "Militärfahrzeuge of the Wehrmacht" by Kurt Rieger and Uwe Feist).

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by Grzesio » 20 Sep 2020 06:56

This variant was built already before the war (initially equipped with 2 cm Flak 30), it was apparently intended to protect self propelled wheeled 8,8 cm Flak guns. It lwas already in service in September 1939.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 21 Sep 2020 14:34

Hi Grzesio,

thank You very much for Your reply. I could find two pics of this vehicle in my collection, part of a battery of self propelled wheeled 8,8 cm Flak guns. Sorry for the bad quality. Mayve somone has better pics.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 21 Sep 2020 22:12

Hi Grzesio,

here a good pic of this vehicle (source: www.kfzderwehrmacht.de) and the exact confirmation of Your reply. Here the text to the pic:
"The Selbstfahrlafette auf Einheitsfahrgestell II für s. Pkw. mit 2cm Flak – a self propelled 2cm A. A. gun – was a special variant of the Luftwaffe. The shown vehicle belonged to 1. Bataillon of Flak Regiment 42 (mot. S.). These vehicles were used to protect the 8.8cm Flak SPG’s on VOMAG chassis against strafers."

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by Grzesio » 22 Sep 2020 09:07

Great picture!
I have a photo of such a vehicle in a book published already in late 1939/early 1940 (I can't remember exactly), covering air war in Poland in September 1939.

By the way, from my very old notes, some AA vehicles on wheeled and semi tracked chassis (not a complete list, of course):
Kfz. 4 Truppenluftschutzkraftwagen [l.gl.Einh.Pkw with 2x MG 34]
2 cm Flak 30 (Sf) auf s.gl.Pkw
2 cm Flakvierling 38 auf s.gl.Lkw
3,7 cm Flak 36 auf s.gl.Lkw
3,7 cm Flak 43 auf s.gl.Lkw
5 cm Flak 41 auf s.gl.Lkw
Sd.Kfz. 6/2 3,7 cm Flak 36 auf Fgst. Zgkw. 5t
Sd.Kfz. 7/1 2 cm Flakvierling 38 auf Fgst. Zgkw. 8t
Sd.Kfz. 7/2 3,7 cm Flak 36 auf Fgst. Zgkw. 8t
5 cm Flak 41 (Sf) auf Zgkw. 8t
8,8 cm Flak 37 auf Fgst. Zgkw 18t
Sd.Kfz. 10/4 2 cm Flak 30 auf Fgst. Zgkw. 1t
Sd.Kfz. 10/5 2 cm Flak 38 auf Fgst. Zgkw. 1t
Geschützkraftwagen? Vomag [with 8,8 cm Flak]
3,7 cm Flak 37 auf s.WS
3,7 cm Flak 43 auf s.WS
2 cm Flakvierling 38 auf s.WS

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 22 Sep 2020 15:16

Hi Grzesio,

thank You very much for this list of AA vehicles. Let´s try to post pics of these vehicles.
Here two pics of a 2 cm Flakvierling 38 auf s.gl.Lkw, here a MAN type ML 4500.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 10:40

Hi everybody,
here some more pictures of 2 cm Flaks on different trucks.
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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 10:44

More pictures.
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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 10:46

Some more.
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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 10:50

And more pictures.
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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 11:01

If you are interested I can post many more pictures that I hve been collecting from E-Bay and the internet.
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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by SIS 5 » 23 Sep 2020 13:20

Hi Armin,

thank You very much for posting these pics of 2 cm Flaks on different trucks. My comliment, You have a great collection. Please, can You tell me, What truck is on the first two pic of Your last reply, avehicle of the "Marine" (WM). Tanks in advance.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by Grzesio » 23 Sep 2020 15:11

By the way...
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This seems to be the 2 cm Fla-MG 30, i.e. a ground variant of the naval 2 cm MG C/30.

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Re: German self-propelled AA

Post by arminfreitag » 23 Sep 2020 18:03

Hi Bert,
sorry but I cannot answer your question, as I do not know about softskins.
I've got some more pictures of the same car, which is called a Morris and a
Bedford Umbauwagen, but I do not know which is right.
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