Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Hello!
I am wondering if anyone have a rough organization of a Panzerjäger-Abteilung of Panzer-Divisions and Panzergrenadier-Divisions from 1944 and onwards.
- How many tank destroyers were supposed to be in the battalion?
o I read that for the units that received Jagdpanzer IVs, they usually were equipped with 11 vehicles. Is this true?
o What other vehicles were intended in the organization of the 1944 Pz. & Pz.Gr. divisions?
I am wondering if anyone have a rough organization of a Panzerjäger-Abteilung of Panzer-Divisions and Panzergrenadier-Divisions from 1944 and onwards.
- How many tank destroyers were supposed to be in the battalion?
o I read that for the units that received Jagdpanzer IVs, they usually were equipped with 11 vehicles. Is this true?
o What other vehicles were intended in the organization of the 1944 Pz. & Pz.Gr. divisions?
Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Hi Rittmeister,
I have an information about the organisation of the Panzerdivision 1944 (freie Gliederung - free structure) according to the source: Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen - Abteilung Organisation - Kartei Nummer 2400 - 44 g.K. from 15th August 1944 :
1 mixed Panzerjäger-Abteilung with
- staff and staff company (1 le. MG, 1 m. SPW, 3 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 1 Panzerjägerkompanie (Sturmgeschütze) (14 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 2 schwere Panzerjägerkompanien mot. Z (each 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40)
- 1 supply company (3 le. MG, 2 Bergepanzer III)
In another document there was only one schwere Panzerjägerkompanie mot. Z with 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40, but two Panzerjägerkompanien, planned with 14, but really only with 10 le. Panzerjäger IV (temporary).
Regards
Bert
I have an information about the organisation of the Panzerdivision 1944 (freie Gliederung - free structure) according to the source: Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen - Abteilung Organisation - Kartei Nummer 2400 - 44 g.K. from 15th August 1944 :
1 mixed Panzerjäger-Abteilung with
- staff and staff company (1 le. MG, 1 m. SPW, 3 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 1 Panzerjägerkompanie (Sturmgeschütze) (14 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 2 schwere Panzerjägerkompanien mot. Z (each 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40)
- 1 supply company (3 le. MG, 2 Bergepanzer III)
In another document there was only one schwere Panzerjägerkompanie mot. Z with 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40, but two Panzerjägerkompanien, planned with 14, but really only with 10 le. Panzerjäger IV (temporary).
Regards
Bert
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
You can see a full list of authorised equipment here:
https://panzerworld.com/panzer-division-1944
https://panzerworld.com/panzer-grenadier-division-1944
Of course, in real life, units would almost invariably have less equipment.
https://panzerworld.com/panzer-division-1944
https://panzerworld.com/panzer-grenadier-division-1944
Of course, in real life, units would almost invariably have less equipment.
Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Thanks! What means "MG" ?
SIS 5 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2020, 16:17Hi Rittmeister,
I have an information about the organisation of the Panzerdivision 1944 (freie Gliederung - free structure) according to the source: Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen - Abteilung Organisation - Kartei Nummer 2400 - 44 g.K. from 15th August 1944 :
1 mixed Panzerjäger-Abteilung with
- staff and staff company (1 le. MG, 1 m. SPW, 3 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 1 Panzerjägerkompanie (Sturmgeschütze) (14 le. Panzerjäger IV)
- 2 schwere Panzerjägerkompanien mot. Z (each 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40)
- 1 supply company (3 le. MG, 2 Bergepanzer III)
In another document there was only one schwere Panzerjägerkompanie mot. Z with 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40, but two Panzerjägerkompanien, planned with 14, but really only with 10 le. Panzerjäger IV (temporary).
Regards
Bert
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Machine gun.
'le. MG' means 'leichtes Maschinengewehr', or 'light machine gun'.
'le. MG' means 'leichtes Maschinengewehr', or 'light machine gun'.
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
But what about all the Panzer Divisions which were issued with a full battalion's worth of Jagdpanzer IV, SdKfz 162 ? That being one for the CO and three companies each of 10 vehicles.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130827182 ... 545#160545
https://web.archive.org/web/20130827182 ... 545#160545
Alan
Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Hi Alan,
a very interesting link. Thanks for posting.
Maybe this organisation of a Panzerjägerabteilung of a Panzerdivision from November 1944 can give You an answer. Source: "Die deutsche Panzerjägertruppe 1935 - 1945" by Wolfgang Fleischer and Richard Eiermann.
Best regards
Bert
a very interesting link. Thanks for posting.
Maybe this organisation of a Panzerjägerabteilung of a Panzerdivision from November 1944 can give You an answer. Source: "Die deutsche Panzerjägertruppe 1935 - 1945" by Wolfgang Fleischer and Richard Eiermann.
Best regards
Bert
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Bert, If we take the Panzer Divisions in Normandy, other than LAH and DR, as an example they all had either two(21 vehicles) or three(31 vehicles) full companies of Jagdpanzer IV L/48 with just the 10 vehicles per company. All this is there in that link so I am very surprised to see 14 vehicles per company in your chart. And nor do the figures change when they started issuing the L/70 version.
Alan
Re: Panzerjäger-Abt. Organization Pz. & Pz.Gr-Divisions
Hi Alan,
thank You very much for Your reply. You are right. That´s the difference between the planned and real number of vehicles per company.
Please, compare it with the other document I posted:
Panzerjägerabteilung of a Panzerdivision 1944 with one schwere Panzerjägerkompanie mot. Z with 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40 and two Panzerjägerkompanien, planned with 14, but really only with 10 le. Panzerjäger IV (temporary).
Best regards
Bert
thank You very much for Your reply. You are right. That´s the difference between the planned and real number of vehicles per company.
Please, compare it with the other document I posted:
Panzerjägerabteilung of a Panzerdivision 1944 with one schwere Panzerjägerkompanie mot. Z with 12 le. MG and 12 x 7,5cm Pak 40 and two Panzerjägerkompanien, planned with 14, but really only with 10 le. Panzerjäger IV (temporary).
Best regards
Bert