Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

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Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Mannet » 24 Oct 2022 11:37

Hi
I found this picture on https://www.armedconflicts.com/Flakpanz ... itz-t19200
is this photo of real Flakpanzer? or just model / good drawing ?
Are there any photos of Flakpanzer Kugelblitz, not only turret? there is one on this page from Berlin, but I'm not sure if it's Kugelblitz (there is information that final Ostwind had the same hull...)
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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Darek Piotrowski » 24 Oct 2022 13:42

The photo is a bit not clear, cropped from a large plan.
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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Darek Piotrowski » 24 Oct 2022 13:51

And here is the whole photo from the book "Kugelblitz - Waffen Revue"
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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Mannet » 24 Oct 2022 14:07

thank You :) there is information written, that it's just wooden model

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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Darek Piotrowski » 24 Oct 2022 14:14

There is no other photo, so it could be a prototype or a wooden mockup.

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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Hans1906 » 25 Oct 2022 10:26

Flakpanzer IV:
"Kugelblitz"
The conclusion of the development was the anti-aircraft tank "Kugelblitz", which was developed jointly by the Army Weapons Office and Daimler-Benz and for which the design drawings were available in May 1944. According to the plans, this vehicle should become the standard anti-aircraft tank. For the first time, a completely closed turret was used here, which was designed as a spherical housing. A target speed of 60°/s could be achieved with the hydraulic swiveling device. The height swivel range was from −7 to +80°. The commander, gunner and loader were located in the 20 mm armored turret. The commander assigned the gunner the target using a tracking device. In the final version, the commander was supposed to have a small cupola with a periscope and a space image range finder. The armament consisted of two side-by-side 30 mm MK 103/38 cannons. It was a modified version of the Fliegerbordkanone MK 103, which had a rate of 425 rounds/min and a firing range of 5700 m. It was the first machine cannon in the German army to have a belt feeder, which was a noticeable improvement over the magazines or frames used previously. Due to its significantly higher firepower compared to the 20 mm cannon, this anti-aircraft cannon was also called "Jabo-Schreck". A total of 1200 rounds of ammunition were carried. It was planned that the Kugelblitz would be produced from February 1945 with 30 pieces/month and should replace all previous anti-aircraft tanks. Due to the events of the war, however, series production was no longer possible; until the end of 1944 only a small pre-series of five pieces was produced. The Kugelblitz was by far the most modern anti-aircraft tank of the Second World War and was considered a trend-setting design until the end of the 1950s...
Source and link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_IV


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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by brano » 25 Oct 2022 17:45

I believe it is a heavily retouched photo of a real tank. This is a common practice in Soviet sources. For a drawing or a model, it has too great a composition for 1945.

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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by Hans1906 » 25 Oct 2022 18:50

brano,

there are NO german photos of the "Kugelblitz" AA-Tank, forget about this, such photos are not known.

Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard was the late "successor" in later years, a monstrous german weapon.
Who ever saw this "AA-Gun" in action, was deeply impressed. 8O

Comparable to the german "Flakvierling" before 1945, where ever this gun was aimed at, nothing survived,
complete destruction, massive firepower...

I have seen multi-barreld machine weapons in any caliber, for example in the WTS in Koblenz, even the deactivated machinery makes you shiver,
you will not even imagine, with what humans were firing at each other... 8O

Krieg ist Scheisse / War Is Hell !


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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by ThatZenoGuy » 26 Oct 2022 03:45

Hans1906 wrote:
25 Oct 2022 18:50
brano,

there are NO german photos of the "Kugelblitz" AA-Tank, forget about this, such photos are not known.

Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard was the late "successor" in later years, a monstrous german weapon.
Who ever saw this "AA-Gun" in action, was deeply impressed. 8O

Comparable to the german "Flakvierling" before 1945, where ever this gun was aimed at, nothing survived,
complete destruction, massive firepower...

I have seen multi-barreld machine weapons in any caliber, for example in the WTS in Koblenz, even the deactivated machinery makes you shiver,
you will not even imagine, with what humans were firing at each other... 8O

Krieg ist Scheisse / War Is Hell !


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If you think those are terrifying, you might not have seen the "Salvo-Flak" designs Germany was experimenting with!

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Re: Flakpanzer Kugelblitz

Post by brano » 26 Oct 2022 18:43

Hans1906 wrote:
25 Oct 2022 18:50
brano,

there are NO german photos of the "Kugelblitz" AA-Tank, forget about this, such photos are not known.
?
Yes, I know there is no public photo yet. I write about Soviet photography in the opening post of this topic.
P.S. I am the author of the article whose link is in the introduction.

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