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#1: Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1 für 7.62cm Pa.K. 36(r) auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. D (Sd.Kfz. 132) (and not the Marder II - the Marder II used the 7.5cm Pa.K. 40/2)
#2 Jagdtiger
#3 Maus (second vehicle)
#4 Tiger II with early Krupp turret (there is no such thing as either a King Tiger or a Porsche turret...)
#5 7.5cm Pa.K. 40(Sf) auf Geschützwagen 39H(f)
A lot of good answers to this quiz. Some of the pics were a bit hard, but I think most people did qiute well!
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No.1............I am confused by your answer to this question, according to Achtung Panzer, the picture is of a Marder II with 7.62 Pak 36(r), the Marder III was armed with the 7.5 Pak 40
Marder II (Sd.Kfz.132).
This self-propelled anti-tank gun was based on the Panzerkampfwagen II light tank, but on the Ausf D/E and Flammpanzer II variants. It received a designation of Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1 für 7.62cm PaK36(r) auf Fahrgestell PzKpfw II, Ausf D1 und D2, but was also known as LaS 762. The Ausf D1 designation was reserved for vehicles based on the Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf D/E, while the Ausf D2 model was based on the Flammpanzer II. This Marder II was armed with a captured Soviet 76.2mm F-22 Model 1936 divisional field gun, designated as 76.2mm PaK 36(r) L/51 anti-tank gun, and rechambered to accept German 75mm Pak 40 ammunition.
Marder III Ausf M (Sd.Kfz. 138).
The Marder III was produced in two variants - Ausf H and Ausf M. They were based on the Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf H and Ausf M light tank chassis, respectively. They were designated as 7.5cm PaK40/3 auf PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf H, and Panzerjäger 38(t) mit 7.5cm PaK40/3 Ausf M. Both were armed with the 75mm PaK 40/3 L/46 anti-tank gun and operated by four-man crews.
From http://www.achtungpanzer.com/marder.htm
Cheers Tony
No.1............I am confused by your answer to this question, according to Achtung Panzer, the picture is of a Marder II with 7.62 Pak 36(r), the Marder III was armed with the 7.5 Pak 40
Marder II (Sd.Kfz.132).
This self-propelled anti-tank gun was based on the Panzerkampfwagen II light tank, but on the Ausf D/E and Flammpanzer II variants. It received a designation of Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1 für 7.62cm PaK36(r) auf Fahrgestell PzKpfw II, Ausf D1 und D2, but was also known as LaS 762. The Ausf D1 designation was reserved for vehicles based on the Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf D/E, while the Ausf D2 model was based on the Flammpanzer II. This Marder II was armed with a captured Soviet 76.2mm F-22 Model 1936 divisional field gun, designated as 76.2mm PaK 36(r) L/51 anti-tank gun, and rechambered to accept German 75mm Pak 40 ammunition.
Marder III Ausf M (Sd.Kfz. 138).
The Marder III was produced in two variants - Ausf H and Ausf M. They were based on the Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf H and Ausf M light tank chassis, respectively. They were designated as 7.5cm PaK40/3 auf PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf H, and Panzerjäger 38(t) mit 7.5cm PaK40/3 Ausf M. Both were armed with the 75mm PaK 40/3 L/46 anti-tank gun and operated by four-man crews.
From http://www.achtungpanzer.com/marder.htm
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Tiger
Sorry Christian, I don't mean to be picky but according to Achtung Panzer again
Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II Ausf. B
Königstiger / King(Royal)Tiger / Tiger II
Sd. Kfz. 182
The first 50 King Tigers (including the three prototypes) were equipped with turrets designed by Krupp for Porsche's VK4502(P) - commonly known as Porsche Turrets. Later models were equipped with turrets designed by Krupp for Henschel - known as Henschel or Krupp Production Turrets. Both turrets were mounted in the middle of the tank. The Porsche turret was originally developed for the VK4502(P) tank, which was based on the VK4501(P) chassis. This project was rejected, but the design of the turret was accepted and adapted for Henschel's Tiger II (because the Henschel turret wasn't ready yet). Porsche's turret mounted a one-piece 88mm gun, while Henschel's turret mounted a two-piece 88mm gun (from May 1944). The Tiger II with Porsche turret carried 80 rounds of ammunition, while the production version with the Henschel turret carried 86 rounds.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm
Both turrets were designed by Krupp, I believe the term Royal Tiger was used by the Allies
Cheers Tony
From Achtung Panzer#4 Tiger II with early Krupp turret (there is no such thing as either a King Tiger or a Porsche turret...)
Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II Ausf. B
Königstiger / King(Royal)Tiger / Tiger II
Sd. Kfz. 182
The first 50 King Tigers (including the three prototypes) were equipped with turrets designed by Krupp for Porsche's VK4502(P) - commonly known as Porsche Turrets. Later models were equipped with turrets designed by Krupp for Henschel - known as Henschel or Krupp Production Turrets. Both turrets were mounted in the middle of the tank. The Porsche turret was originally developed for the VK4502(P) tank, which was based on the VK4501(P) chassis. This project was rejected, but the design of the turret was accepted and adapted for Henschel's Tiger II (because the Henschel turret wasn't ready yet). Porsche's turret mounted a one-piece 88mm gun, while Henschel's turret mounted a two-piece 88mm gun (from May 1944). The Tiger II with Porsche turret carried 80 rounds of ammunition, while the production version with the Henschel turret carried 86 rounds.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm
Both turrets were designed by Krupp, I believe the term Royal Tiger was used by the Allies
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There are actually 2 vehicles based on the Pz.Kpfw. II chassis - one with the 7.62cm Pa.K. 36(r), and one with the 7.5cm Pa.K. 40/2.
The latter one is the Marder II (according to 'the encyclopedia'
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The Marder III was based on the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) chassis, and was armed with the 7.62cm Pa.K. 36(r) as well.
There was another vehicle armed with the 7.5cm Pa.K. 40/3 based on the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) chassis.
These vehicles are of course often mixed up - and it is very possible that this is what has happened to George Parada.
I'm not 100% sure about this (only 98.5), as I don't have the Panzer Tracts volume on the light Panzerjägere
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The latter one is the Marder II (according to 'the encyclopedia'
)The Marder III was based on the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) chassis, and was armed with the 7.62cm Pa.K. 36(r) as well.
There was another vehicle armed with the 7.5cm Pa.K. 40/3 based on the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) chassis.
These vehicles are of course often mixed up - and it is very possible that this is what has happened to George Parada.
I'm not 100% sure about this (only 98.5), as I don't have the Panzer Tracts volume on the light Panzerjägere
Christian
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Thanks for the reply Christian
Interesting, I don't have a copy of the Encyclopedia, but I have found this interesting site that shows all the Marder models
http://technology.port5.com/marder.htm
They show the 7.5 PaK 40 PzKpfw II Ausf A,B,C,F as the Marder II SdKf 131
while the 7.62 version on PzKpw II Ausf D as the Marder II SdKfz 132
Cheers Tony
Interesting, I don't have a copy of the Encyclopedia, but I have found this interesting site that shows all the Marder models
http://technology.port5.com/marder.htm
They show the 7.5 PaK 40 PzKpfw II Ausf A,B,C,F as the Marder II SdKf 131
while the 7.62 version on PzKpw II Ausf D as the Marder II SdKfz 132
Cheers Tony
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The turret designated as the Porsche turret was rejected in part because its curved front - which curved downward and in, formed a "shot trap".
I always read that the name "Royal tiger" was more of a Commonwealth designation - never saw it used by Americans
I always read that the name "Royal tiger" was more of a Commonwealth designation - never saw it used by Americans
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The Porsche turret had the bulge in the left side for the cupola, which another weakness. The Krupp turret had the commanders cupola moved 50 mm more to center.MadJim wrote:The turret designated as the Porsche turret was rejected in part because its curved front - which curved downward and in, formed a "shot trap".
I always read that the name "Royal tiger" was more of a Commonwealth designation - never saw it used by Americans
Apparantly the front of the Porsche turret was a small well armored target, but it was definatly a shot trap.
The part on the Lorraine Schlepper is really not my interest. Tell me about the armor between the 5.9's on Seylditz, or on the Tigers 6", I can help you there.
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Oh well, I don't know how you can talk about the Porsche turret - Porsche never designed a turret for any Tiger tank - Krupp designed the turret for both the turret versions for the Tiger II. Rheinmetall was the second competitor for the Tiger II turret, but Krupps version of the Kw.K. 43 was far better, and their turret was also superior (although not much different from the Rheinmetall one).
Rheinmetall tried fitting a minor modification of their Fla.K. 41, whereas Krupp redid the whole thing from scratch, making it smaller and thus better for tank use.
Christian
Oh well, I don't know how you can talk about the Porsche turret - Porsche never designed a turret for any Tiger tank - Krupp designed the turret for both the turret versions for the Tiger II. Rheinmetall was the second competitor for the Tiger II turret, but Krupps version of the Kw.K. 43 was far better, and their turret was also superior (although not much different from the Rheinmetall one).
Rheinmetall tried fitting a minor modification of their Fla.K. 41, whereas Krupp redid the whole thing from scratch, making it smaller and thus better for tank use.
Christian
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17th Feb. 43 Krupp was ordered to complete 50 Tiger P2 turrets. This is my Porsche turret.
Sorry about that.
Sorry about that.
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I think I will stick with the H3 tuttet in the end.
The bullge in the turret side wall I don't like as well as the shot trap.
The one thing I do like is small profile offered from the front.
The bullge in the turret side wall I don't like as well as the shot trap.
The one thing I do like is small profile offered from the front.
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