Vehicle identity requests
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Hi Jose,
the trucks with a strange body/tarpaulin are normal personnel carriers of the German police in this time. Here a pic of a Mercedes-Benz type L 2500.
Best regards
Bert
the trucks with a strange body/tarpaulin are normal personnel carriers of the German police in this time. Here a pic of a Mercedes-Benz type L 2500.
Best regards
Bert
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Hi,
Thanks Kerry and Bert!
Thanks Kerry and Bert!
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Hi uncle,
Thanks for the photo! Clearly similarities in design...
Thanks for the photo! Clearly similarities in design...
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Hi Jose, hi uncle,
sorry, uncle, but today I don´t agree with You. I think it is a Büssing-NAG type 350 - O. Here three pics of this bus out of the book "Der Autobahn-Schnellverkehr der Deutschen Reichsbahn" by Volkhard Stern.
Best regards
Bert
sorry, uncle, but today I don´t agree with You. I think it is a Büssing-NAG type 350 - O. Here three pics of this bus out of the book "Der Autobahn-Schnellverkehr der Deutschen Reichsbahn" by Volkhard Stern.
Best regards
Bert
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Maybe same coachbuilder?
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Hi Jose,
maybe You are right. The coachbuilder of the Büssing-NAG bus was Gaubschat in Berlin. Here a pic of a Mercedes-Benz type Lo 2600 with a Gaubschat superstructure.
Best regards
Bert
maybe You are right. The coachbuilder of the Büssing-NAG bus was Gaubschat in Berlin. Here a pic of a Mercedes-Benz type Lo 2600 with a Gaubschat superstructure.
Best regards
Bert
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Hi guys,
Very interesting thread. Apparently that particular style was quite popular with the Deutsche Reichsbahn around 1936: The photo below is described in Piet van Hees' Opel Blitz site http://www.pietvanhees.nl/blitzbus/ as follows:
Very interesting thread. Apparently that particular style was quite popular with the Deutsche Reichsbahn around 1936: The photo below is described in Piet van Hees' Opel Blitz site http://www.pietvanhees.nl/blitzbus/ as follows:
2 Wehrmacht soldiers posing before a magnificently lined bus, note the low headlights. Martin Korth identified it as a Mercedes Lo 2600 with a Kässbohrer Bodywork. There where build six of it in 1936 for the Reichsbahn Schnellverkehr. (seen in the book "Der Autobahn-Schnellverkehr")
Cheers,
Max
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Hi Bert,
In turn I cannot agree with you, i.e. with Volkhard Stern. On all pictures you've posted from the book the bus looks exactly like Mercedes bodied by Kässbohrer. AFAIK the streamlined Büssing buses ordered by DR are bodied by Westwaggon. And they look a bit different:
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
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Was ist das, bitte?
Not the aircraft, of course, but the truck on the right. The shape of what's visible from this refueller is somewhat unusual. Definitely not the standard for Luftwaffe Mercedes LG 3000 or Opel Blitz refuellers. Something captured, perhaps?
(pic fm Flugzeug Classic 2020-01)
TIA.
Cheers!
Not the aircraft, of course, but the truck on the right. The shape of what's visible from this refueller is somewhat unusual. Definitely not the standard for Luftwaffe Mercedes LG 3000 or Opel Blitz refuellers. Something captured, perhaps?
(pic fm Flugzeug Classic 2020-01)
TIA.
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
Re: Vehicle identity requests
Hi ilfil,
thank You very much for Your critical reply. Now I´m totally uncertain, what is right and what is wrong. And I´m really confused.
First to the coachbuilders: there were four for Büssing-NAG and two for Mercedes-Benz:
for Büssing-NAG: Westwaggon - Recklinghausen - Gaubschat - Büssing in Elbing
for Mercedes-Benz: Gaubschat - Kässbohrer
You are right, on both pics You posted are Büssing-NAG type 350 - O made by Westwaggon. Here two pics of the fourth coachbuilder for Büssing-NAG "Recklinghausen", clearly distiguishable like Westwaggon. But what is with Gaubschat and Büssing?
Here the pic of the Mercedes-Benz Lo 2600 made by Kässbohrer.
Best regards
Bert
thank You very much for Your critical reply. Now I´m totally uncertain, what is right and what is wrong. And I´m really confused.
First to the coachbuilders: there were four for Büssing-NAG and two for Mercedes-Benz:
for Büssing-NAG: Westwaggon - Recklinghausen - Gaubschat - Büssing in Elbing
for Mercedes-Benz: Gaubschat - Kässbohrer
You are right, on both pics You posted are Büssing-NAG type 350 - O made by Westwaggon. Here two pics of the fourth coachbuilder for Büssing-NAG "Recklinghausen", clearly distiguishable like Westwaggon. But what is with Gaubschat and Büssing?
Here the pic of the Mercedes-Benz Lo 2600 made by Kässbohrer.
Best regards
Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests
Hi ilfil,
in the book "Der Autobahn-Schnellverkehr der Deutschen Reichsbahn" by Volkhard Sturm there is a list of all registration numbers of these Reichsbahn busses. That is the solution of our questions:
DR 90 101: Büssing-NAG Gaubschat
DR 90 140: Büssing-NAG Gaubschat
DR 90 134: Mercedes-Benz Gaubschat
DR 90 146: Mercedes-Benz Kässbohrer
DR 90 051: Büssing-NAG Westwaggom
DR 90 056: Büssing-NAG Westwaggon
Best regards
Bert
in the book "Der Autobahn-Schnellverkehr der Deutschen Reichsbahn" by Volkhard Sturm there is a list of all registration numbers of these Reichsbahn busses. That is the solution of our questions:
DR 90 101: Büssing-NAG Gaubschat
DR 90 140: Büssing-NAG Gaubschat
DR 90 134: Mercedes-Benz Gaubschat
DR 90 146: Mercedes-Benz Kässbohrer
DR 90 051: Büssing-NAG Westwaggom
DR 90 056: Büssing-NAG Westwaggon
Best regards
Bert
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Hi Bert,
I'm afraid I started to sound like an echo but I must say "thank you" in turn.
Live and learn... Maybe my source is a bit rotten. Thanks for the info and for the pics in particular. I've never seen before Reichsbahn vehicle with number plates other than "DR-...." (those "Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn" not in count). And I wonder is it possible your buses are also private vehicles on loan? Is there something on this in the book?
In general my point is that German period bus recognition is and always was dangerous field full of landmines.
Just to confirm this, let's return to the start of this talk.
I think the question still remains: what is on this picture?
Externally it is the same like DR-90140 and DR-90134 posted by you above (vent openings on the bonnet sides are curved in front, same front roof details, same body trim, etc.). The problem is that there is “Büssing” in the file name of the first pic and “Mercedes” in the file name of the second, and externally they are exactly the same. The same confusion is in the list from the book also, if it is confusion at all. Although the chances for exactly the same body by the same coachbuilder on two different chassis are really negligible, normally they must be with different body trim as a minimum.
I wrote "externally" because internally they definitely aren't the same, in the front part at least. Have you noted that for even more fun our unknown beauty is also RHD? And the negative wasn't flipped because the number plate and the "WH" marking are okay.
BTW, yet another confirmation of the Murphy's laws. There is always an idiot(s) who stands in front of the details vital for ID. Apparently I mean the left fat idiot who managed to obscure nicely the number plate.
Cheers!
I'm afraid I started to sound like an echo but I must say "thank you" in turn.
Live and learn... Maybe my source is a bit rotten. Thanks for the info and for the pics in particular. I've never seen before Reichsbahn vehicle with number plates other than "DR-...." (those "Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn" not in count). And I wonder is it possible your buses are also private vehicles on loan? Is there something on this in the book?
If you have had in mind streamlined buses only, that would be okay, I guess. But for the bus coachbuilders these manufacturers used to work with in general, you must add Komnick for Büssing and Gaggenau for D-B as a minimum.
In general my point is that German period bus recognition is and always was dangerous field full of landmines.
Just to confirm this, let's return to the start of this talk.
I think the question still remains: what is on this picture?
Externally it is the same like DR-90140 and DR-90134 posted by you above (vent openings on the bonnet sides are curved in front, same front roof details, same body trim, etc.). The problem is that there is “Büssing” in the file name of the first pic and “Mercedes” in the file name of the second, and externally they are exactly the same. The same confusion is in the list from the book also, if it is confusion at all. Although the chances for exactly the same body by the same coachbuilder on two different chassis are really negligible, normally they must be with different body trim as a minimum.
I wrote "externally" because internally they definitely aren't the same, in the front part at least. Have you noted that for even more fun our unknown beauty is also RHD? And the negative wasn't flipped because the number plate and the "WH" marking are okay.
BTW, yet another confirmation of the Murphy's laws. There is always an idiot(s) who stands in front of the details vital for ID. Apparently I mean the left fat idiot who managed to obscure nicely the number plate.
Cheers!
Last edited by ilfil on 11 Dec 2019, 19:59, edited 1 time in total.
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
Re: Vehicle identity requests
ilfil wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 16:51Was ist das, bitte?
Not the aircraft, of course, but the truck on the right. The shape of what's visible from this refueller is somewhat unusual. Definitely not the standard for Luftwaffe Mercedes LG 3000 or Opel Blitz refuellers. Something captured, perhaps?
(pic fm Flugzeug Classic 2020-01)
TIA.
Cheers!
Hi ilfil,
Possibly Latil...
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Thanks uncle,
Looks like you've nailed it.
Cheers!
Looks like you've nailed it.
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."