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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 17 Apr 2009 13:03

That is a Demag D 11 according to John Milsom's "German Half-tracked Vehicles of WW2". The first experimental model of the 1 tonner.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by barbarossa28 » 17 Apr 2009 13:44

Little correction Alan,

this is not a D 11. The shown Halftrack is a Demag D II 2 (note, its not a 11 but a Roman 2). The Demag D II 1 had a different running gear.
The D II 1 prototype was manufactured in 1934, followed by the D II 2 prototype in 1935. The D II 3 prototype from 1936 looked similar to the following production models.

Regards, Holger.

(Source: W. J. Spielberger "Die Halbettenfahrzeuge des Deutschen Heeres 1909-1945".)

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Apr 2009 15:03

I found in Ebay this images. Can anyone help me to identify the vehicles?

The first photo shows a truck and trailer of Arbeitsdienst.
I think the second photo shows Opel Blitz truck but a rare version. Not sure.
I think the third picture shows a bus of Reichpost. I think it can be a VOMAG but I'm not sure. Not strictly a military vehicle but..... :roll:

Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 18 Apr 2009 16:27

Hi Sturm 78,

really interesting pics. To the first truck: I think it could be a Magirus 3 ton truck type M 30, but I´m not quite sure.
To the second pic: You are right, it´s an Opel Blitz 3 ton truck with a special body, later fitted on a normal flatbed for a field kitchen (the first truck with the chimney on the roof). I´ll post a pic of the rear of an Opel-Maultier, but it is the same of other Opel 3 ton trucks.
And now to the last pic: First I thought like You, that it could be a VOMAG type 7 OR 660. But now I think it could be a Büssing-NAG type 900 N.

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Matins » 18 Apr 2009 20:44

Can you help me to identify a vehicle by this part of track??

probably the signature is "bsw" on the track
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Bill Murray » 18 Apr 2009 21:13

Hi All:

To continue with Sturm's question, I am still considering the first photo.
The second 2 are surely Opel Blitz trucks with some sort of standard workshop body and I cannot remember the number just now.
The third photo may still be a Vomag as described by Bert.
I attach a photo from a Vomag catalogue that also shows a bus that is awfully close.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by protze » 19 Apr 2009 06:50

Hi Bert,

The image you send of a Opel Maultier is one of the early protoptypes of Opel. The definitive productiontype has the "Laufwerk" of the British Carden-Lloyd Carrier. The suspension was a two-wheel Horstmann type. On each side was a large coiled spring with a single unit behind. The drive sprocket was located in the front while the idler was in the rear.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by protze » 19 Apr 2009 15:50

Hi all,

Some time ago we saw this image in this forum of two Luftwaffe tippers. I have now recognized the left one (a Ford V8 typ 51), but I am not sure for the right one. Possible a Borgward Typ 3t benzin G.W.? Who has the right idea?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by garlock » 19 Apr 2009 23:02

First, the photograhs of truck/trailer interiors were informing. Thanks for those posts.

Second, I tried to find out more about Demags. Did discover the company was a crane manufacturer. However, the sites I looked at were short of photos and details about the vehicle I posted. Please, could someone point me to a source in English where I could learn more about the Demag tracked vehicle?

I appreciate it.

John

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 20 Apr 2009 15:10

Hi Bill,

to the question with the bus. In these years there were produced only the following bus types with three axes, as far as I know:
Büssing-NAG 80 N, 801 N, 802 N and 900 N
Mercedes Benz Lo 10.000, L 10.000, OP 3750, LG 2500 or LG 65/3
MAN N 6
VOMAG 7 OR 660
The last two Mercedes Benz buses are too small, the MAN bus was extremely rare and an elder type, so they cannot be our wanted type.
Remaining producers are Büssing, Mercedes and VOMAG. I cannot decide, but anyhow VOMAG doesn´t fit for me.
I´ll post a pic of such a VOMAG bus (source: VOMAG - eine Legende in Bildern by Christian Suhr & Ralf Weinreich).Maybe there is an expert on buses here among us and can help.

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Leo Niehorster » 20 Apr 2009 20:03

Sorry to butt in...
The original picture of the three axle bus by Sturm 78 shows a shorter body than the Vomag photographs supplied by Bert and Bill. Could this be a different chassis but with the same body builder as the Vomags?

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Demag Liliput Model 2 (D ll 2)

Post by FKDeane » 21 Apr 2009 13:06

Hi John (Garlock)

How amazing interesting to see the second photograph of this tiny beast within 24 hours.

Your ditched vehicle is the half track Demag Liliput Model 2 (D ll 2) one of the Versuchs developed in 1935 for the 1t Zugkraftwagen. The only other photograph I have ever seen is in the new "Panzer Tracts No.22 -1 1t Zugkraftwagen" by Hilary Louis Doyle and Tom Jentz which I have just received. Without this Panzer Tracts my identification would not be possible.

Do you know anything about the history of your picture?

By the way this new Panzer Tracts about the 1t Zugkraftwagen is fantastic as for the very first time this whole 1t series of halftracks is documented. It is just full of completely new information describing the initiation of these little Liliput vehicles to the D6 series and then on the regular D7 and all the way to the end of the war.

There are Doyle’s multi view drawings of “four” different versions of the 2cm Flak Sfl which are properly identified – one for 1939, one for 1940, one for 1942 and the final model from 1944. Doyle has also provided separate drawings of the 2cm Flak 30 and two versions of the 2cm Flak 38. There are even photos of the 2cm Flak Versuchs on the Dll 3 and D6 chassis.

I guess few of us knew that the poison gas vehicle were not just trial series but were produced in considerable numbers until 1943. There are three different versions for poison gas activities along with drawings of two of them.

For the “ordinary” 1t did any of us hear of the Ausf.A and Ausf.B before? The authors plot the various developments of the basic 1t and support this history with sets of multi-view drawings covering three significant versions for 1938, 1940 and 1942. As usual we are taught not to refer to vehicle by the post war nick-names. Although Demag was responsible for the basic design - seven companies actually built the D7 and developed the different variants.

It is a pity that there are not more researchers producing work like this - completely new and fully supported by primary documents with none of the usual copying from secondary sources.

Fred

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 21 Apr 2009 14:33

Hi Leo,

thank You for the advice to look for the body builder. In the book about VOMAG there is an information about the body builder: Waggon- und Maschinenfabrik AG vorm. Busch in Bautzen.
This body builder produced bodies not only for VOMAG, but also for Büssing-NAG. I´ve found an info in the Omnibus-Archiv with pics of a restored Büssing-NAG 900 N bus, but I think it isn´t the original body:
http://www.omnibusarchiv.de/include.php ... 282&page=3
So I think the question is open and not yet solved.

Regards

Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Apr 2009 18:23

Hi all,

I found these three images on Ebay. I'm not an expert in passenger cars of civil origin, so I need your help to properly identify these photos.

I think that the first photo shows a Mercedes cabrio car (model unknown for me), the second one, a Opel Kadett (K38)
or a Opel Olympia (OL38) and the last one, another Mercedes vehicle (possibly the same model as the other)

Regards Sturm78.
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