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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 06 Nov 2009 18:43

SIS 5 wrote:Hi Henning,

to Your question with the power units. I think that these could be special trailers with energy stations for searchlights. In the Waffen-Arsenal Band 145 "KFZ-Anhänger der Wehrmacht" there are mentioned three different trailers :
special trailer (Sd.Anh.) 104 for searchlight G 150 K with 24 kW
special trailer (Sd.Anh.) 204 for searchlight 200 cm with 60 kW
special trailer (Sd.Anh.) 206 for searchlight 200 cm with 120 kW.

In this booklet is no pic of these trailers. So I cannot give You more informations.

Regards

Bert
Hi Bert

Know i will be a little bit carefull :)
All 3 trailers you talk about , could transport different thinks, power-units, searchlight, AA guns or "Kommandogeräte".
Like my opinion the trailer must be "abprotzbar" I dont Know the english word.
I think on my pic , the second Trailer is one of your three.

But the first, its a other type. It seems that the engine is mounted on the Trailer. I think the front axle is mounted on a "Drehschemel"

Is there some one with more or other infos


best Regards
Henning

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 06 Nov 2009 19:34

Hi Henning,

'Drehschemel' Google translates as 'rotating stool' - turntable?

I'm struggling with some of the German / English translations and I don't know what Maschinensätze are, but to your trailer question of the 28th October I think this is definitely a small generator trailer of some sort. By its size I'd say it is about 6kVA? The construction of the chassis looks different to the ones you refer to on Holger's site but I guess these things might be made by several different makers.

To your trailer question of 24th October, could it be carrying that many hard suction hoses (if that's what they are) to pump not from a great depth but for some distance across ground on the level?

Sean

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Nov 2009 12:08

Hi all,

Two photos of generators from Ebay. Perhaps provide some assistance. I think the trailers are a Sd.Ah. 104 (or perhaps Sd.Ah. 102). I guess the generators would be therefore Maschinensatz 33 or 37 (24Kw) for 150cm Flakscheinwerfer 34 or 37 searchlights.
In any case, I am no expert on this type of equipment ....so I may be wrong :roll:


Regards Sturm78
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 07 Nov 2009 22:11

Sean N wrote:Hi Henning,

'Drehschemel' Google translates as 'rotating stool' - turntable?

I'm struggling with some of the German / English translations and I don't know what Maschinensätze are, but to your trailer question of the 28th October I think this is definitely a small generator trailer of some sort. By its size I'd say it is about 6kVA? The construction of the chassis looks different to the ones you refer to on Holger's site but I guess these things might be made by several different makers.

To your trailer question of 24th October, could it be carrying that many hard suction hoses (if that's what they are) to pump not from a great depth but for some distance across ground on the level?

Sean
Hello Sean

yes you are right German language is difficult but german army language is more difficult. :(

"Maschinensätze " means generator and per example "Sammlergeräte" means battery charger . You are right i mean a turnable front axel, but sometimes I have no idea for the english words for my explination. sorry :oops:

but I am happy to get so much international contacts! USA, Spain , UK, Ireland, Finnland and so on 8O
and that with my terrible english :D

regards
Henning

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 07 Nov 2009 22:21

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Two photos of generators from Ebay. Perhaps provide some assistance. I think the trailers are a Sd.Ah. 104 (or perhaps Sd.Ah. 102). I guess the generators would be therefore Maschinensatz 33 or 37 (24Kw) for 150cm Flakscheinwerfer 34 or 37 searchlights.
In any case, I am no expert on this type of equipment ....so I may be wrong :roll:


Regards Sturm78
Hello Sturm

I found your 2 Pics too and one restored generator in Norway.
but I thing all Pics are different to the first generator on my pic???

Best regards
Henning
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 08 Nov 2009 10:09

fireindi64 wrote:
Hello Sean

yes you are right German language is difficult but german army language is more difficult. :(

"Maschinensätze " means generator and per example "Sammlergeräte" means battery charger . You are right i mean a turnable front axel, but sometimes I have no idea for the english words for my explination. sorry :oops:

but I am happy to get so much international contacts! USA, Spain , UK, Ireland, Finnland and so on 8O
and that with my terrible english :D

regards
Henning
Hello Henning,

You should not worry, your English is a lot better than my German! I would not know the German words for most of these things and most dictionaries or translators are no help. I think the technical words are always going to be a struggle, but between everyone on here we should get there in the end.

'Maschinensatz' = literally 'Engine set', yes? And I think 'gerät' = equipment (as in UniMoG)? Sammler = collector so 'collector equipment' = battery charger?!

To all, especially admins, perhaps we should start a sticky technical German - English glossary?

Sean

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by barbarossa28 » 08 Nov 2009 11:10

Hello Sean.

I allways use two Langenscheidts dictionaries (Deutsch-Englisch 1300 sides; Englisch-Deutsch 1400 sides). For many technical terms, these are much better than the online dictionaries.

"Machinensatz" means "machine unit", "generator set" or machine composition.

"Sammler" means "accumulator" or "(storage) battery". Collector has a bit another meaning. Sammler is an old German technical word for "Batterie" = battery.
Therefore a "Sammlerlader" is a "battery charger".

There are many different translations for "Gerät" with different meanings like "tool", "utensil", "implemen" "gear", "apparatus", "instrument", "set", "device", "unit, "equipment" etc. The right translation is dependent on the usage of the "Gerät".

Regards, Holger.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 08 Nov 2009 19:45

Of course, I didn't think of 'accumulator'. In English that also means collector, in one sense. I thought Gerät was a bit f a catch-all word, thanks for confirming.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 11 Nov 2009 20:56

Hello all,

I get a new mystery :)
I found the Pic in E-bay
Like my opinion its a Borgward ,may be a 4,5 or 5t. HL named this catogory "Merkur". They change the name in 1939 from HL to Borgward.
I read from the Schell plan only MB, MAN and Büssing built 4,5t trucks.
The Borgward truck was defently built for the WH look for the " Einheits-cabin" so I think it has no civil roots

but what is the result ???

best regards
Henning
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 12 Nov 2009 16:24

Hi Henning,

thank You very mich for posting this absolutely interesting pic. Two years ago we discussed here in the forum a similar truck. Thomas wrote:

Hi Bill,

you were not far away with the Borgward. It´s a Hansa-Lloyd Merkur III
(3 ton, Deutz-Diesel-engine, 75 HP) built from 1936 to 1938. Mine is from "Taschenbuch
deutscher LKW-Bau" representing one of the first series. Yours is one of the
last built because of the slightly different front (rounded bumper). It has also a
Behelfsführerhaus (makeshift-cab?), which means, that it probably had a body not to be
useful for the Wehrmacht.
In 1938 the famous Carl F. W. Borgward took over the Hansa-Lloyd-Goliath-Werke
in Bremen, from which he had a large amount of shares already before.
From then on the HL-trucks became Borgwards and were modernized step by step
until the short-hoods (like B3000) you know of.

Greetings
Thomas

After all I think like You, Henning, that it is a Borgward Merkur, a truck for 4 or 5 tons, but not the type produced in 1937 and 1938 by Hansa-Lloyd, but in 1939, here the latest and most modern version of this heavy truck, built for the Wehrmacht with an "Einheits-cabin" by Borgward. 23rd December 1939 the government accepted the so called Schell - plan and in 1940 this plan was realised and the firms had to produce only one or two different types at all.

It would be interesting for me to get an answer to my assumption.

Thanks

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by barbarossa28 » 13 Nov 2009 10:54

Hell Henning and Bert.

Sadly, there is no really good source for pre war Borgward and Hansa Lloyd lorries.

Here is another one on my site - this time with standard driver's cab.

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... lorry.html

Regards, Holger.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 13 Nov 2009 15:08

Hi Holger,

thank You for Your post. Sorry, I forgot to look at Your site. I think the truck on Your site is the Borgward type Merkur for 4,5 to 5 t, the version with the standard cab.

In the book "Lastkraftwagen der Wehrmacht" by Reinhard Frank there is shown such a truck I´ll post here.

The heavy truck, which was produced before Borgward took over the firm, was the type "4 1/2 - bis 5 - Tonner" (truck for 4,5 to 5 tons) by Hansa-Lloyd, produced in 1937 and 1938 (pic and infos out of the Typenbuch 1937 and 1938).

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 13 Nov 2009 15:11

[quote="SIS 5"]Hi Holger,

thank You for Your post. Sorry, I forgot to look at Your site. I think the truck on Your site is the Borgward type Merkur for 4,5 to 5 t, the version with the standard cab, the basic type for the military version posted above.

In the book "Lastkraftwagen der Wehrmacht" by Reinhard Frank there is shown such a truck (I´ll post here).

The heavy truck, which was produced before Borgward took over the firm, was the type "4 1/2 - bis 5 - Tonner" (truck for 4,5 to 5 tons) by Hansa-Lloyd, produced in 1937 and 1938 (pic and infos out of the Typenbuch 1937 and 1938).

Regards

Bert[/quote]

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by barbarossa28 » 13 Nov 2009 15:33

Thanks Bert.

Can somebody identify this tracked tractor?

Regards, Holger.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 13 Nov 2009 15:47

Hello Bert , Holger

Bert:
I see you get the book. Its a fine book ,but be carefull there are some mistakes too.

I think we made a little mistake with the names.
Hansa-Lloyd use something like "Columbus, Express, Europa, Bremen and Merkur.
Borgward use since 1938 the tons: Borgward 1 Tonner, Borgward 3 Tonner and may be Borgward 4,5 Tonner.
I think Borgward startet with the "B-serie" in42/43 with the B3000 I dont know if since that time the little called B 1000?
I get no pics from the Typeplate.
And one Truck lisence from E-bay

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Henning
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