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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Bill Murray » 10 Dec 2009 13:00

Hi Bert:

Your panel truck has pretty much got to be a 1940 Chevrolet, based on the mounting of the main headlamps, the "parking lights" on top of the front fender and the general style of the body.

Only thing that worries me with that ID is that most all US panel trucks of that vintage had rear fenders/mudguards and this one does not. I looked pretty hard at the photo and it looks as if the mudguard may have been removed.

Hi ilfil:

I believe your bus is some Italian make but do not have time to research it just now.

Bill

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 10 Dec 2009 21:14

Hi Bill,

thank You very much for identifying this panel truck. I already thought maybe none can ID that truck, but I was still hoping for You.
For me You are "the" expert of soft skinned vehicles.

Thanks again

Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 11 Dec 2009 15:50

Hi Henning, hi all,

in June and October we were discussing the question with the light Borgward truck. Finally I´ve found the pics I was so long searching for: a light Borgward truck with an open cab.
I think that on the pic is a Borgward type L 1400. On the door You can see the payload: 1.200 kg. That means it cannot be the type B 1000 with 1.000 kg payload. And it cannot be the type L 2000 S or L 2300 with a payload of 1.500 kg. That´s the reason why I think it is the type L 1400 with a payload of 1.200 kg.
It would be interesting for me to read Your meaning to my thoughts.

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 11 Dec 2009 17:08

Hello Bertram

Yes this are very interessting pics. I cant find a solution!!!
The body with the three hinge is like a 1,5 Tonner and the double rear weels are like a 1,5 Tonner too and the pay-load is lower ???
The problem ,there are no exactly sources about Borgward
I dont know if the designation L1400, L2000 and L2300 is all right ?
Like my opinion the type serie is : 1Tonner, 1,5 Tonner,3 Tonner and 4,5 Tonner
The L designation is factory intern: L1400- Lastkraftwagen 1384 ccm, L2000 LKW 1962 ccm,L2300 LKW 2247 ccm and
L3500 LKW 3485ccm.
I discus this fact with you and friends for the 4,5 Tonner.
like the Schell plan Borgward dont produse 1,5 Tonner and 4,5 Tonner, with your pic its defently, both types produced for the Wehrmacht.
The result was , this types must be produced in a very short time period in 1938-1939
So my intention is more for a 1,5 Tonner.

I think this pics from E-bay, do you know if the auktion is closed?

I am very interessted in this pics.


best regards
Henning

PS
the E-bay seller told, he foud a Borgward price list at the same place. The list was from 1939
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 11 Dec 2009 17:25

Next idea from me!!!

Is the "L1400" from the Victoy Museum, Auburn original or not???
Is it possible, that the front window,the rear mudguards and the single rear weels are modified from the restaurator???

is it a Borgward 1,5 Tonner???

regards

Henning

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 12 Dec 2009 11:04

Hello all

Here is a next source for my "...Tonner" designation idea. I found it yesterday, its from 1942.

best regards

Henning
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 13 Dec 2009 10:34

Hi Henning,

thank You very much for Your replies. It´s really interesting what You told us. I think You are right that the truck on the pics can be a truck for 1,5 tons. It could be a vehicle of a small serie built for the Wehrmacht with the open cab and a special flatbed, the type L 2300, built from 1939 to 1942 (so Peter Michels in his book "Vom Blitzkarren zum Großen Borgward). It´s also interesting to compare the weight and the payload of the type L 2000 S with the data on the door of our truck:

Borgward L 2000 S the Wehrmacht truck

Leergewicht 1675 kg 2055 kg
Nutzlast 1500 kg 1200 kg

To Your idea, that the "L1400" from the Victoy Museum in Auburn could be a Borgward 1,5 Tonner is also very interesting.
It could really be, that the restaurator modified the front window and the rear mudguards taking these parts from another truck, maybe a Ford.

It will be interesting to go on with these questions.

Regards

Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 13 Dec 2009 19:43

Hello all, Betram

I think the light truck from june and october is the same like the Borgward on your last pics.

I asked several times in this and other Foren for a contact to the Victory Museum, but nobody could help.
I think we need pics about production-No and the type-plate to get a exact answer.
I send 4-5 E-mails to the museum, I get never a answer.
Perhabs one of our american members find a entrance to the museum to get informations!

so long we move in fog!!!

regards
Henning

Ps. do you know if the e-bay auktion for your 2 pics is closed?

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Post by fredl109 » 14 Dec 2009 00:47

Ransome wrote:Hello Bill

Thank you for your answer.
I know, the picture is not very sharp, but the original photo was very small and I had to magnify it a lot. It comes from a german fotoalbum and was taken by a Heer soldier who served under 34th Artillery Observation Battalion, attached to XI Corp - 11th. Army.
So, even if the truck looks similar to Fiat/SPA Ovunque 41, I think doesn't match because:
- I'm quite sure the photo was taken in summer 1941, at the beginning of Barbarossa;
- Fiat / SPA Dovunque 41 was produced after 1943;
- Fiat / SPA Dovunque 41 looks different in several details, as you can see in the picture.

Other ideas?

Cheers

Marco

Hello Marco this a autocanone 90/53 on a Breda 51. here another photo of the same vehicule.

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/36/08/34/3-6tw910.jpg

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 14 Dec 2009 07:29

Hi Henning,

sorry, I forgot to tell You, that the e-bay-auction of these pics are closed more than a month ago. I have such a disorder in my pics, that I needed so long to find these. Sorry.

Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Dec 2009 13:02

Hi all,

New PKWs for Id. from Ebay:

Image 1: I think Wanderer W11 2.5L or Mercedes-Benz Typ 260
Image 2: BMW sure, but What model? :?
Image 3: BMW sure, but What model? :?

Regards Sturm78
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 14 Dec 2009 19:01

Hi Sturm,

Don't know about the top photo but I believe the BMW is the militarised version of the pre-war 315 cabriolet.

Sean

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by barbarossa28 » 14 Dec 2009 19:27

Hello Sturm78.

Nr. 1 = Wanderer W 11 10/50PS (2.5 Liter) (Wanderer had wheelhubs, Mercedes does not. The hub on the rear wheel of this Wanderer seems to be missing).
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... wagen.html

Nr. 2 & 3 = BMW 309 (or 303)
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... wagen.html

Not all BMW 309 Kübelwagen had a panel box at the rear. Some had a standard Kübelwagen car body like this BMW 319:
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... wagen.html

BMW 315 had different ventilation openings:
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... w_315.html

Regards, Holger.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 15 Dec 2009 08:04

Hi Holger,

What are the recognition features to tell the various BMWs (303,309, 315, 319) apart in the military version? I must admit I forgot to check your site (!), but I have seen 315s which look like the one above. I just had a hunt on the net and found this:

http://www.bmwism.com/all_bmw/bmw_315_c ... e_view.jpg

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by somyhi » 15 Dec 2009 08:44

Sean N wrote:
somyhi wrote:dear sir ..

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i want to know more about this tinybike .

I'd like to know what the truck behind it is! Anyone any ideas?

Sean
may it also italian truck sir "Fiat 626" look close alike much more than
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thank for all who make me clear about tinybike .

thank you very much

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