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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ArmchairSamurai » 18 Jan 2020 22:01

How about this one?

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I found these photos here: https://frontsector.be/index.php/materi ... orlogstijd

The description offered is in German, so forgive me for a shoddy translation:

Deze beelden vormen een raadsel, enerzijds beschreven als ladingsdrager waarvoor het ontbreken van een instrumentenbord spreekt, anderzijds als een speciale uitvoering voor de SS van het Type 87 waarvoor de meegevoerde bewapening dan weer spreekt


"These images form a mystery, described on the one hand as a load carrier for which the lack of an instrument board speaks, and on the other hand as a special version for the SS of the Type 87 for which the armament carried speaks for again"

What do you all think?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 19 Jan 2020 09:41

Hi ArmchairSamurai,

these pics are also in the booklet Waffen-Arsenal Band 58 "VW im Kriege" by Michael Sawodny. Here the text to the pics:
Das oben mit zwei Fotos abgebildete Fahrzeug gibt noch Rätsel auf. In den Bildunterschriften des Archivs als "aus dem Typ 87 mit Vierradantrieb weiterentwickelter Kradwagen Typ 166 für die SS in verkürzter und gerschmeidiger Form" bezeichnet, wird es von anderer Seite auch als ferngesteuerter Ladungsträger angesprochen. Für ersteres sprechen die mitgeführten Waffen und Sitze, für letzteres die fehlenden Armaturen. Beachtenswert auf jeden Fall die vom Normalen stark abweichende Formgebung der Karosserie.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 19 Jan 2020 10:23

FWIW it bears a family resemblance to the postwar Porsche 597 4x4 kubel.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Jan 2020 14:52

Hi all,

Can somebody identify the model of this Bussing-NAG truck ?

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 19 Jan 2020 17:42

Hi,
Looks something of family 80 model, most probably short-based 801, the predecessor of 900:

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HTH
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Pz III » 19 Jan 2020 19:19

SIS 5 wrote:
19 Jan 2020 09:41
Hi ArmchairSamurai,

these pics are also in the booklet Waffen-Arsenal Band 58 "VW im Kriege" by Michael Sawodny. Here the text to the pics:
Das oben mit zwei Fotos abgebildete Fahrzeug gibt noch Rätsel auf. In den Bildunterschriften des Archivs als "aus dem Typ 87 mit Vierradantrieb weiterentwickelter Kradwagen Typ 166 für die SS in verkürzter und gerschmeidiger Form" bezeichnet, wird es von anderer Seite auch als ferngesteuerter Ladungsträger angesprochen. Für ersteres sprechen die mitgeführten Waffen und Sitze, für letzteres die fehlenden Armaturen. Beachtenswert auf jeden Fall die vom Normalen stark abweichende Formgebung der Karosserie.

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English translation of this passage....

The vehicle pictured above with two photos is still a mystery. Described in the archive's captions as "Type 166 Kradwagen further developed from the Type 87 with four-wheel drive for the SS in a shortened and smooth form", it is also addressed by others as a remote-controlled load carrier. The arms and seats carried speak for the former, and the missing fittings for the latter. Definitely noteworthy is the shape of the body, which is very different from normal.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ArmchairSamurai » 19 Jan 2020 21:46

Hello SIS 5

Thank you for the information! I appreciate it. At first, I was confused about the wording of the following bit from your source: "aus dem Typ 87 mit Vierradantrieb weiterentwickelter Kradwagen Typ 166 für die SS in verkürzter und gerschmeidiger Form". However, after pondering the purpose of such a craft, I think I have an idea.

Hello Pz III

Thank you for the translation! I appreciate it. It makes more sense now.

Judging by its clear lack of doors, lack of accessible hood aperture and overall "smooth form" uni-body shape, its purpose is likely amphibious in nature, especially since it is noted that the vehicle is labeled as Type 166, even if it does not possess a passing resemblance to the Type 166 Schwimmwagen in terms of shape. But, that being said, this vehicle may have had float attachments to make it more resemble the vehicle in which it shares a designation. Though I do not see any form of a propeller or simple rutter, which keeps me from entirely believing my theory. Otherwise, my only guess for the very basic design is that mass production is more streamlined and the designation is merely denoting that does not share the features of the Kommandeurwagen in which shares a chassis, like doors. Or perhaps it comes from the same assembly line as the Schwimmwagen.

In addition, the lack of instrument panels and headlights makes me believe the assertion that it is remotely controlled; possibly being lead by a follow-me vehicle. What escapes me at the moment is "why?" Why have a remotely controlled load carrier just for small arms? I do not see the point of it. A regular Kubelwagen or Schwimmwagen would do the job just as efficiently and be less complicated. It's a pity I cannot see what's inside the rear, as that may clear up a lot.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Jose85 » 20 Jan 2020 11:48

Hi,
bus
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"Brussel"
very small on the photo, but the shape looks very distinctive...early US COE?
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truck
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 20 Jan 2020 16:27

Hi Jose.
Renault...
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 20 Jan 2020 19:10

Maybe International C 300...
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Jose85 » 20 Jan 2020 19:39

Hi uncle,
Thanks!

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Jan 2020 22:42

ilfil wrote
Looks something of family 80 model, most probably short-based 801, the predecessor of 900
Thanks for your help, ilfil

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 21 Jan 2020 10:32

Hi,
The only one here I was able to ID so far is the Merc in the middle. But what are the leader and the one at the end?

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The first truck looks like Citroen C4 but the fenders are different. But the last one is much more interesting: 3-axle COE with single rear wheels (or I see them so). Smells Dutch or Belgian but could be else. Any ideas?
TIA.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Jose85 » 21 Jan 2020 11:54

Hi,
my guess on that COE:Tatra 85/91?
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... 85-91.html

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by kerryboo » 21 Jan 2020 12:43

Hi Jose,
The script on the radiator does seem to be the same, Tatra Diesel. In my opinion you are right with Tatra, for whatever that is worth!
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