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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ayovtshev » 30 Jan 2020 16:06

Do you also see a late production Büssing-Nag 4500S as the first truck on the picture bellow?
IMG-9f2c55329105de343b91ff8dd916dee9-V.jpg
The second truck is clearly a Mercedes Benz L3000S.
The picture dates from the late 1940's and was taken in Kazanluk,Bulgaria,

Thanks in advance!
Angel
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 30 Jan 2020 16:27

Hi Max,

Yes, You are right. On the top was the Reichspropagandaleitung (propaganda direction of the Reich), then came the Hauptstelle Film (main office film) and then the Gaufilmstellen (district film office).
Here a text about the operation of the Tonfilmwagen 1938/39: "Tonfilmwagen der Gaufilmstellen tragen den film in die abgeschiedenen Alpentäler und Bergdörfer der deutschen Ostmark, in die stillen, von neuem Leben erfüllten Ortschaften des deutschen Sudetenlandes und in die Städte der neuen Gaue." (Sound film vehicles carry the movie to the remote alpine valleys and mountain villages of the German Ostmark, to the quiet villages of the German Sudetenland filled with new life and to the towns of the new districts).
In 1941 there were 835 "Tonfilmwagen" in the Gaufilmstellen.
And there was an agreement between the High Command of the Armed forces and the Hauptstelle Film of the Reichspropagandaleitung (RPL) 17th June 1943:
"Die RPL - Hauptamt Film - stellt während des Krieges ihre Organisation, ihren Geräte- und Wagenpark sowie ihren Kopienbestand in den Dienst der filmischen Truppenbetreuung. In kinolosen Unterkunftsbereichen und in Gefechtsstellung befindliche Einheiten aller Wehrmachtssteile werden durch Tonfilmwagen so bespielt, dass der einzelne Soldat nach Möglichkeit alle 14 Tage einen Film mit neuester Wochenschau sieht." ("During the war, the RPL - Hauptamt Film - makes available its organization, its fleet of equipment and vehicles, and its stock of copies at the troops care by films/movies. Units of all parts of the Wehrmacht that are in quarter areas without cinemas and in combat positions get film projections by sound film vehicles in such a way that the individual soldier sees a film with the latest newsreel every 14 days if possible").
I hope You can understand my translation. It is not so easy to translate such an official language.

Best regards

Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 30 Jan 2020 23:00

ayovtshev wrote:
30 Jan 2020 16:06
Do you also see a late production Büssing-Nag 4500S as the first truck on the picture bellow?
Hello Angel.
Yes, I agree. Very rare and interesting photo indeed.
Cheers,
Max

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 31 Jan 2020 04:29

SIS 5 wrote:
30 Jan 2020 16:27
Hi Max,

Yes, You are right. On the top was the Reichspropagandaleitung (propaganda direction of the Reich), then came the Hauptstelle Film (main office film) and then the Gaufilmstellen (district film office).
Here a text about the operation of the Tonfilmwagen 1938/39: "Tonfilmwagen der Gaufilmstellen tragen den film in die abgeschiedenen Alpentäler und Bergdörfer der deutschen Ostmark, in die stillen, von neuem Leben erfüllten Ortschaften des deutschen Sudetenlandes und in die Städte der neuen Gaue." (Sound film vehicles carry the movie to the remote alpine valleys and mountain villages of the German Ostmark, to the quiet villages of the German Sudetenland filled with new life and to the towns of the new districts).
In 1941 there were 835 "Tonfilmwagen" in the Gaufilmstellen.
And there was an agreement between the High Command of the Armed forces and the Hauptstelle Film of the Reichspropagandaleitung (RPL) 17th June 1943:
"Die RPL - Hauptamt Film - stellt während des Krieges ihre Organisation, ihren Geräte- und Wagenpark sowie ihren Kopienbestand in den Dienst der filmischen Truppenbetreuung. In kinolosen Unterkunftsbereichen und in Gefechtsstellung befindliche Einheiten aller Wehrmachtssteile werden durch Tonfilmwagen so bespielt, dass der einzelne Soldat nach Möglichkeit alle 14 Tage einen Film mit neuester Wochenschau sieht." ("During the war, the RPL - Hauptamt Film - makes available its organization, its fleet of equipment and vehicles, and its stock of copies at the troops care by films/movies. Units of all parts of the Wehrmacht that are in quarter areas without cinemas and in combat positions get film projections by sound film vehicles in such a way that the individual soldier sees a film with the latest newsreel every 14 days if possible").
I hope You can understand my translation. It is not so easy to translate such an official language.

Best regards

Bert
Hi Bert,
Thank you very much for taking the time to translate that information. My understanding of the organizational structure and function of these Tonfilmwagen is much clearer now and I greatly appreciate your efforts. :thumbsup:
Cheers,
Max

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 31 Jan 2020 11:36

peeved wrote:
30 Jan 2020 08:28
Could it be a dented RO plate for "Reichskommissariat Ostland" which administratively included "Generalbezirk Weißruthenien"?

Markus
Thanks, Markus.
This is also a possibility. The problem is that I've never seen German number plates which starts with "R" (save the RAD vehicles), officially at least.
Thanks anyway.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 31 Jan 2020 11:58

FWIW RO is listed here among German WW II plates: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der ... istorisch) in addition to RAD, RK (two entries), RKU, RP and RU.

Markus

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fireindi64 » 31 Jan 2020 20:03

ayovtshev wrote:
30 Jan 2020 16:06
Do you also see a late production Büssing-Nag 4500S as the first truck on the picture bellow?
IMG-9f2c55329105de343b91ff8dd916dee9-V.jpg

The second truck is clearly a Mercedes Benz L3000S.
The picture dates from the late 1940's and was taken in Kazanluk,Bulgaria,

Thanks in advance!
Angel
Hello angel,
I agree too, but for me its a early postwar picture, 1940 is for me not posible.
Best regards
Henning

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 31 Jan 2020 21:41

Hi Henning,
You are right but Angel said "late 1940's" which is early postwar as you said.
Cheers,
Max

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ayovtshev » 01 Feb 2020 08:00

Maxschnauzer wrote:
31 Jan 2020 21:41
Hi Henning,
You are right but Angel said "late 1940's" which is early postwar as you said.
Exactly!

The picture is from 1949 (earliest) and shows a
manifestation of the workers from Factory 10(nowadays JSC Arsenal AD), Kazanluk.

Cheers,
Angel

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 01 Feb 2020 08:47

peeved wrote:
31 Jan 2020 11:58
FWIW RO is listed here among German WW II plates: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der ... istorisch) in addition to RAD, RK (two entries), RKU, RP and RU.
According to https://dr-herzfeld.de/kennzeichengesch ... stland.pdf RO-77098 would be in the "Reichskommissariat Ostland" Belarus plate number range.

Markus

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 01 Feb 2020 09:04

Thanks, Markus!
Well, let it be "RO" then. I agree. It fits.
ilfil wrote:
31 Jan 2020 11:36
The problem is that I've never seen German number plates which starts with "R" (save the RAD vehicles), officially at least.
Pure lie. :oops: It looks the real problem here is with my weak memory, I completely forgot about Reichspost vehicles number plates. :oops:
Cheers!
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Jose85 » 02 Feb 2020 14:14

Bit delayed but thanks for the suggestions on that bus.


Few other:
bad quality, but that small boattail sportscar
pkwkanone.jpg
Euro coachbuilt US car?
cabriokolonneuseurocoachbuiltmaybe.jpg
Ford, but what? The rear layout looks somewhat similar to DAF Trado conversion on Opel Blitz, weirdo cab...
fordrusslandschlamm.jpg
Thanks!
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 03 Feb 2020 07:01

Hi, what kind of vehicle is this?

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 03 Feb 2020 10:56

Hi Alif,
You're not giving us much there but IMO it's a '37 Buick.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by carius » 03 Feb 2020 10:59

Image from ebay.de №202890867947
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