Vehicle identity requests
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Hi Dirk,
No problem, here it is. I have blurred some detail, but the car is clear, message me if you would like a clear copy, for you personal use only!
Kerry.
No problem, here it is. I have blurred some detail, but the car is clear, message me if you would like a clear copy, for you personal use only!
Kerry.
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Thanks kerryboo this is already fantastic. like you say it s the car that is important and i can show this picture to others with no problem (I hope) because unusable for other use of course i mention property of kerryboo is that good for you ?
Thanks a ;ot
Thanks a ;ot
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Dirk,
Yes of course, no problem, I just got fed up with my photos being copied from the 'net and being used elsewhere.
Cheers,
Kerry.
Yes of course, no problem, I just got fed up with my photos being copied from the 'net and being used elsewhere.
Cheers,
Kerry.
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Hi fliegerhorst,
in the book "L´automobile sous l`uniforme" by Francois Vauvillier there are more informations about the P 107.
In 1936 Citroen produced 60 P 107 engineer type, Unic only 28 engineer types in 37/38, 120 in 1939 until the beginning of WW II. Alltogether about 300 of these engineer types.
3rd September 1939 the French Army had 1066 P 107 artillery tractores produced by Unic, and Unic delivered about 1800 more of these tractors until the beginning of June 1940, when the production was stopped.
Altogether Unic produced 3276 P 107 (artillery and engineer types).
To the trailers: that´s a pic of a parade of the French Army 14 July 1938 in Paris. So the trailers cannot be German Pf. 14 / 15. These are pontoon trailers model 1935 (remorque mòdele 1935).
An additional advice: most of the captured tractors, which had a complete overhaul by the Germans, got new front wheels with six bolts (the old wheels had only four). Here two pics for comparing. Sources of the pics: first: "L´automobile sous l`uniforme"; second: Beutekraftfahrzeuge".
Regards
Bert
in the book "L´automobile sous l`uniforme" by Francois Vauvillier there are more informations about the P 107.
In 1936 Citroen produced 60 P 107 engineer type, Unic only 28 engineer types in 37/38, 120 in 1939 until the beginning of WW II. Alltogether about 300 of these engineer types.
3rd September 1939 the French Army had 1066 P 107 artillery tractores produced by Unic, and Unic delivered about 1800 more of these tractors until the beginning of June 1940, when the production was stopped.
Altogether Unic produced 3276 P 107 (artillery and engineer types).
To the trailers: that´s a pic of a parade of the French Army 14 July 1938 in Paris. So the trailers cannot be German Pf. 14 / 15. These are pontoon trailers model 1935 (remorque mòdele 1935).
An additional advice: most of the captured tractors, which had a complete overhaul by the Germans, got new front wheels with six bolts (the old wheels had only four). Here two pics for comparing. Sources of the pics: first: "L´automobile sous l`uniforme"; second: Beutekraftfahrzeuge".
Regards
Bert
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Thanks kerryboo this is already fantastic. like you say it s the car that is important and i can show this picture to others with no problem (I hope) because unusable for other use of course i mention property of kerryboo is that good for you ?
Thanks a ;ot
Thanks a ;ot
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Bert, that's lot of good info about the Unic halftracks, thanks!
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Hi Dirk,
As they say in the UK Parliament "I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some hours ago".
Cheers,
Kerry.
As they say in the UK Parliament "I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some hours ago".
Cheers,
Kerry.
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Thanks kerry
Greetings from belgium
Greetings from belgium
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Thank you Bert for your efforts, answered the question for me.
Still developing skills in cars/trucks/tractors.
Hanomag SS 55 ? However i see that the logo which is just a dot from this distance reminds me something more of faun and Hanomag also made a 2 door SS 100 ? ID on these.
Still developing skills in cars/trucks/tractors.
Hanomag SS 55 ? However i see that the logo which is just a dot from this distance reminds me something more of faun and Hanomag also made a 2 door SS 100 ? ID on these.
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Hi fliegerhorst,
I believe you are correct, To me these are the Hanomag Type SS 55LN:
I believe you are correct, To me these are the Hanomag Type SS 55LN:
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What models are there in the SS 55 series LN? I havent seen info in regards to this
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Hello fliegerhorst,
Sorry I have no information about the designation of the various subvariants. This particular model was built for the Luftwaffe so perhaps that explains the "L" but I have no corroboration for that.
Sorry I have no information about the designation of the various subvariants. This particular model was built for the Luftwaffe so perhaps that explains the "L" but I have no corroboration for that.
Cheers,
Max
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Hello Guys here another question
in german documents ist written in the war Diaries from 1940 (Kriegstagebucher) from the Kriegs Marine that a " Funkpeilwagen von Marine " is working
so i ll search pictures from such a vehicle what could be used in the beginning fronm 1940 in the Marine
anyone can help please ?
Thanks in advance Dirk
in german documents ist written in the war Diaries from 1940 (Kriegstagebucher) from the Kriegs Marine that a " Funkpeilwagen von Marine " is working
so i ll search pictures from such a vehicle what could be used in the beginning fronm 1940 in the Marine
anyone can help please ?
Thanks in advance Dirk
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Hi Max, hi fliegerhorst,
I think You are right, Max, this model was a modified commercial tractor and was built for the Luftwaffe. So lockers and rear-facing crew-seats were fitted at the back. Unfortunately I have only a bad pic of this vehicle from the back.
First, in 1933 and 1934, this tractor had the designation "Schnell-Zugwagen 55 PS" (fast tractor 55 hp), because this vehicle had a four cylinder diesel engine with 55 hp. Here a drawing.
Later the design of this vehicle was changed and the designation was SS 55 N for the commercial tractor and SS 55 LN for the tractor of the Luftwaffe (SS is the abbreviation for Straßen-Schlepper = road tractor). The successor of this modell was the type SS 60 LN, now with a 60 hp diesel engine, the two rear-facing crew-seats were removed and a 4-door-cabin was set on the chassis.
Also the later model SS 60 and the bigger SS 100 had the additonal designation LN, when they were produced for the Luftwaffe.
Best regards
Bert
I think You are right, Max, this model was a modified commercial tractor and was built for the Luftwaffe. So lockers and rear-facing crew-seats were fitted at the back. Unfortunately I have only a bad pic of this vehicle from the back.
First, in 1933 and 1934, this tractor had the designation "Schnell-Zugwagen 55 PS" (fast tractor 55 hp), because this vehicle had a four cylinder diesel engine with 55 hp. Here a drawing.
Later the design of this vehicle was changed and the designation was SS 55 N for the commercial tractor and SS 55 LN for the tractor of the Luftwaffe (SS is the abbreviation for Straßen-Schlepper = road tractor). The successor of this modell was the type SS 60 LN, now with a 60 hp diesel engine, the two rear-facing crew-seats were removed and a 4-door-cabin was set on the chassis.
Also the later model SS 60 and the bigger SS 100 had the additonal designation LN, when they were produced for the Luftwaffe.
Best regards
Bert
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Thanks very much, Bert. Very informative...and thanks for the photos.
So the "N" designates commercial. I always thought the commercial tractors were designated "ST" such as this one below, or was "ST" only used postwar?
So the "N" designates commercial. I always thought the commercial tractors were designated "ST" such as this one below, or was "ST" only used postwar?
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Max
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