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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 24 Jun 2020 10:10

ilfil wrote:
24 Jun 2020 10:05
Hi Bert,
No need for excuses - nobody's perfect and after all this is only a friendly talk.
In general there are no mistakes in all your sources and they are honest but don't trust Wikipedia much. :wink: I mean in general.
SIS 5 wrote:
23 Jun 2020 20:24
Halbkette.de: "Die ergänzte Abkürzung "SSM" steht dabei für "SS-Maultier", denn das Laufwerk war von der Waffen-SS entwickelt worden.
And as a recognition in the manuals this abbreviation is even written with runes!

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On your pictures above is the first DAF-Trado prototype, after not very successful tests the tracked part was revised and the second variant, built in 1942, was much more sophisticated:

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This is converted Luftwaffe Blitz chassis (No. plate WL-0301365) and apparently the tracked part was much better because this prototype was demonstrated in Berlin by DAF test driver Jan Koppens.
The advantage of DAF-Trado approach is that their design was perfect field modification for normal trucks because the rear driving axle wasn't moved forwards, as on the SS Carden-Lloyd development. In the same time this was a shortcoming because such scheme used to develop some unwanted negative dynamic forces in movement, in particular on hard terrains.
Maxschnauzer wrote:
24 Jun 2020 04:21
Still the question remains about the veracity of the "Wrecker" version in the initial pic. Anything in the literature about that?
Max, I think the situation is extremely clear. Just forget it!
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 24 Jun 2020 14:41

Hi ilfil,

thank You very much for Your reply and especially for posting the manual of the Ford Maultier and the pic of the converted Luftwaffe Opel Blitz.
Please, let me give a summary and then tell me, if I understood that correctly.
1. Engineers of the 2nd Waffen SS Division "Das Reich" converted a 3-ton Ford V 3000 truck into a semi-track in the winter 1941 - 1942 in Russia by replacing the rear wheels with British Carden-Lloyd track bogies of a captured British Universal Carrier for improved off-road performance. (no pic)
2. This was the stimulus to develop such a semi-track vehicle. In 1942 the „Maultier“ was constructed. First a Klöckner-Deutz truck got modified Carden-Lloyd track bogies replacing the rear axle. (no pic)
3. The first DAF-Trado prototype Opel Blitz was produced, but there were not very successful tests. (#11473)
4. The tracked part of the DAF-Trado prototype was revised. (#11475)
5. The development of a special system of tracks and suspension by Opel (pics #11469)
6. In the meantime the development of a system of tracks and suspension by the SS, probably by the SS-Kraftfahrtechnischen Versuchsabteilung Oranienburg with Opel Blitz trucks (the Opel factory was in Brandenburg Stadt, less than 100 from Oranienburg).
7. At the end the system of tracks and suspension developped by the SS was preferred and then all three producers of "Maultier" trucks (Ford, Klöckner-Deutz, Opel) had to install the SS - track system.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 24 Jun 2020 19:09

Hello everyone.
Does anyone know a model for this Bussing-Nag all-wheel drive truck? Maybe someone has photos or scans in the assembled state of this car?
Thank you in advance.
Bussing-NAG.jpg
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 25 Jun 2020 09:58

ilfil wrote:
24 Jun 2020 10:10
Max, I think the situation is extremely clear. Just forget it!
Cheers!
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Hi ilfil,
Your point is well taken but I have found a pic of another experimental vehicle I would like your opinion on.
Experimental Sd. Kfz. .jpg
I know it's silly but we all could use a little humor in these stressful times, no?. :)
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 25 Jun 2020 18:53

Hi guys.
So no one knows this truck model? in the post #11478
Does anyone have any options?
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Andriy

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 25 Jun 2020 19:15

Prototype 6x6 Büssing-NAG developed from type KV/KD in competition with the later Einheitsdiesel?

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 25 Jun 2020 19:25

Thanks Markus.
Any photos, scans are welcome.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 25 Jun 2020 20:04

That was just conjecture I'm afraid. Had never seen such a Büssing before.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 25 Jun 2020 20:41

Hello to all.
Does anyone else have a photo of the Brossel 780B TAL artillery tractor in good quality without copyright? Except those laid out by Mr. dirk Peeters in post viewtopic.php?p=2274386#p2274386. I would really appreciate it.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 25 Jun 2020 21:05

more photos (Maybe field conversion…)
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 26 Jun 2020 19:10

peeved wrote:
25 Jun 2020 20:04
That was just conjecture I'm afraid. Had never seen such a Büssing before.
Markus
This is a sure guess.
Bussing NAG KV (6x6)1936-2.jpg
Just a pity there are no other photos of this truck.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 26 Jun 2020 19:24

Hi uncle.
Thanks so much for these unique photos. Only in the third and fourth photo it seems that this is not the same Brossel: the cabin is completely different and shorter; behind the cabin there should still be a place for a box, the wheelbase is shorter.
Brossel_TAL_Abschleppwagen_0.jpg
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 26 Jun 2020 20:35

According to "Nuts & Bolts Volume 32: The Medium Cross country Lorries 3 ton (6×4) of the Reichswehr and Wehrmacht" apparently part of the Büssing-NAG KV production were all-wheel drive. Maybe they all went to Turkey.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 27 Jun 2020 08:29

peeved wrote:
26 Jun 2020 20:35
According to "Nuts & Bolts Volume 32: The Medium Cross country Lorries 3 ton (6×4) of the Reichswehr and Wehrmacht" apparently part of the Büssing-NAG KV production were all-wheel drive. Maybe they all went to Turkey.

Markus
Thanks Marcus for this scan. It says that on that truck an 8-cylinder gasoline engine with a capacity of as much as 150 hp was installed! Why such a powerful engine for a light truck?
Does that book have more photos of this all-wheel drive Bussing?
Thank you in advance.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 27 Jun 2020 10:14

VRIL7 wrote:
27 Jun 2020 08:29
Thanks Marcus for this scan. It says that on that truck an 8-cylinder gasoline engine with a capacity of as much as 150 hp was installed! Why such a powerful engine for a light truck?
Maybe to guarantee the petrol engine acceptable torque on terrain gear; 100 hp apparently was deemed sufficient for the KD diesel.
VRIL7 wrote:
27 Jun 2020 08:29
Does that book have more photos of this all-wheel drive Bussing?
Don't know. The scan was on a book review page at https://www.modelkitsreview.com/nuts-bo ... wehrmacht/

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