Vehicle identity requests

Discussions on the vehicles used by the Axis forces. Hosted by Christian Ankerstjerne
fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 27 Jun 2020 10:16

Hello all. Its often hard to ID a truck from the back due to lack on pictures and profile from this angle. Can someone ID the type of vehicle? My second part of the question is, does the O represent organisational symbol of being a printing vehicle? It almost looks like signal equipment attached on the rear left to me and a ladder on rear right, + spare wheel on roof. Thanks for any help
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

SIS 5
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 17:27
Location: Germany

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 27 Jun 2020 12:55

Hi fligerhorst,

the vehicle on Your pic could be a Büssing-NAG type G 31, a Fernsprechbetriebskraftwagen - telephone operating motor vehicle - (Kfz. 61). Two supporting planks, a spade and a Klappleiter were mounted on the rear, and You can see one of the two spare wheels, which were carried along on the roof, like the vehicle on the pic on Holger´s site www.kfzderwehrmacht.de

Best regards

Bert
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 27 Jun 2020 13:44

Thanks Bert. I see the connectors on top for the phone lines now. Any idea to the circle marking?

SIS 5
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 17:27
Location: Germany

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 27 Jun 2020 15:15

Hi,

it could be a vehicle of the 15. Infanteriedivision, because a circle was the insignia (vehicle identifier) of this division.

Best regards

Bert
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 28 Jun 2020 03:49

Could someone clarify for me if this is an image of Mercedes Benz G 3 and a G 3a? My photo is the partial photo showing what i think is the G3 but on holgers site i see this photo entitled as a G3 a. Thank you
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Maxschnauzer
Financial supporter
Posts: 4359
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 07:36
Location: Philippines

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 28 Jun 2020 09:14

Personally I can't tell from this photo but since there were fewer than 100 G 3's built I'd bet it's likely a G 3a.
Cheers,
Max

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 28 Jun 2020 09:46

So my confusion comes from this image here. On Holger's site is this photo showing a G 3a. do all G 3a's look like this without the cab and bent fenders or is this just a later version. What features separate a G 3 from a G 3a ?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

SIS 5
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 17:27
Location: Germany

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 28 Jun 2020 11:40

Hi fliegerhorst, hi Max,

an interesting question. I follow the meaning of Max, that it is the type G 3 a.
Here three pics of the type G 3, introduced in 1928. Figures of production: 6 - 1929, 12 - 1930, 49 - 1931, 25 - 1932.
In 1933 the improved type G 3 a was introduced with a more powerful engine (G 3: 60 hp, G 3 a: 68 hp) and more weight (G 3: 2500kg, G 3 a: 3300kg).

To the pic on Holger´s site. A totally similar vehicle is in the book "Die Motorisierung der deutschen Reichswehr" by Walter J. Spielberger with the designation Mercedes-Benz G 3 a. If You want I can scan it.

The visible differences in the next post.

Best regards

Bert
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

SIS 5
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 17:27
Location: Germany

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 28 Jun 2020 12:05

Hi fliegerhorst, hi Max,


here the visible differences:
1. the most visible difference is the cab: G 3 still with a closed cab, G 3 a with a foldable soft-top.
2. the radiator grille: G 3 with five segments, G 3 a with six segments (blue)
3. different openings for the starting handle (yellow)
4. the slits left and right from the starting handle opening: G 3 with seven slits on each side, G 3 with six slits on each side (red)
5. the position of the headlight: G 3 nearer to the mudguard, G 3 a higher mounted (green
6. a bit different front mudguards
7. different side lights on the mudguards: the lamps of type G 3 a are smaller than the lamps of the type G 3.

Sources of the pics: "Die Motorisierung der deutschen Reichswehr" by Walter J. Spielberger; "Tankograd - Wehrmacht Special Nr 4001 "Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten (1) by Henry Hoppe; "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer der Reichswehr, Wehrmacht und Bundeswehr ab 1900" by Werner Oswald; ebay.

Best regards

Bert
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 28 Jun 2020 12:35

Bert exceptional effort and knowledge. Thanks my friend. I would know very little about vehicles / trailers and artillery, without your insight. Look forward to open communication again at some point in the future. Champion!!

I have yet another puzzling question to me. This time to Horch 108 type versus ford Ford Typ EGa/EGd. So i look at identifying a kfz. 23 which is of s. gl. Einheits-Pkw. I see typ 40 has the spare wheel moved from the side. And early version distinguished by this fact. Is there any difference between the Ford and the Horch model of these heavy PKW?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
VRIL7
Member
Posts: 94
Joined: 15 Mar 2019 09:17
Location: Euvropa

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by VRIL7 » 28 Jun 2020 17:35

Hello to all.
Does anyone have this photo in good quality?
Thank you in advance.
Brossel TAL, mortier de 220 TR M 1916.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Regards.

Andriy

G_Mendes
Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 09 Oct 2018 17:28
Location: Portugal

Re: Vehicle identity requests - Kato Tractor

Post by G_Mendes » 28 Jun 2020 23:03

Some more images:

It looks that the seaplane tug version have a more rounded engine cover, and looks a little bigger, than the other smaller version, with a triangular engine cover.

The first image is from a japanese vehicles blog (middle of page):

https://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/13 ... /42196434/

Other three images are stills from the japanese movie "Nankai no hanataba" de Yutake Abe.

The last one is from a japanese blog, with many photos.

http://evnara.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-48.html

http://evnara.blog.fc2.com/img/JAPANESE ... 51302.jpg/
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

SIS 5
Member
Posts: 4564
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 17:27
Location: Germany

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 29 Jun 2020 07:43

Hi fliegerhorst,

to Your question about the schwerer Einheits-PKW:

a differentiation from the outside is impossible. They only had different engines. Horch produced 8135, Ford only 1901 of these Einheits-PKWs. Now my assumption. In a manual with different versions of this car there was the information, that the Kfz. 23 had an engine with 90 hp. That would point out to a Horch (Horch engine 90 hp, Ford 78 hp). The Kfz. 23 had a higher combat weight with 4500 kg than the Kfz.69 or 70 with 4200 kg.

Best regards

Bert

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 30 Jun 2020 09:07

Hello. Thanks Bert. I studied some photos further and i see some difference, nothing to link what type to what but there are some difference, which with further photos may show a pattern. I came across this type which has a different front grille than others i see at the top.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

fliegerhorst
Member
Posts: 258
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 05:38

Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by fliegerhorst » 30 Jun 2020 09:09

I also see front thicker bumpers on some and also holes extended out further on the bottom chassis.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Return to “The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section”