Vehicle identity requests

[Sturm78]

Max wrote
I think you're right. Compare it to this Latil M2TL6 from https://18daagseveldtocht.be/artillerie ... rtillerie/.

Thanks, Max...
I think that in the image there are 2 different models of tractors....

Sturm78

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi Sturm,
Of course you are right. But so far I haven't been able to positively ID the model of second one in. IMO It's most definitely Latil, it has the family resemblance and the Latil badge is visible, similar to here:

[AlifRafikKhan]

Thank you Max and Carius

[SIS 5]

[quote=augustdieter post_id=2429030 time=1663004385 user_id=29303]
[i]Except Fuchsl made just the trailer...
[/i]
Hello all,

the tractor were built by Füchsle in Dingolfing
the trailer was built by Alkett

More details can be found in this thread,

https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/inde ... /&pageNo=1
[/quote]

Hi AugustDieter,

[SIS 5]

Hi AugustDieter,

excuse me, please, for my late reply. Sorry, I don´t agree with You that the tractor on the pic ArmchairSamurai posted 05 Sept was built by Füchsl in Dingolfing. On the contrary: the tractor was built by Alkett and the trailer was built by Füchsl.
Here the source:
Walter J. Spielberger: "Die Rad- und Vollketten-Zugmaschinen 1871 - 1945":
"Am 16.11.1939 forderte OKH/In6/GBK vom Heereswaffenamt die Entwicklung eines Transportzuges für Schwerstartillerie, einen Motorwagen mit Triebanhänger für eine Nutzlast von 30-40 t. Als Basis diente der C-Zug der österreichischen Armee..... ..... Für den Motorwagen war ein Eigengewicht von 10,5t, für den Anhänger etwa 15,5 t eingeplant.
Zwei Kämper 150 PS Dieselmotoren sollten mit BBC (Brown Boverie & Cie) Generatoren gekoppelt werden. Eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 45 km/h war gefordert. Die Spurweite betrug 2200 mm, die Breite eines Rades 380 mm. 4 -6 Mann Fahrpersonal waren vorgesehen. Motorwagen und Anhänger hatten Allradantrieb in Form von gleichen Einheitstriebachsen mit je einem Elektromotor pro Rad. Im Juli 1942 wurde ein Versuchsstück montiert. Der Verwendungszweck hatte sich jedoch geändert. Bereits am 26.10.1940 wurde von Ag K/ In6 (Illing) die Entwicklung eines Transport- und Bergegerätes für den Panzerkw. VI gefordert. Die Entwicklung ging von der Firma Kämper auf die Firma Füchsl in Dingolfing über."

Regards

Bert

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I am not sure about this PKW: Merdes-Benz Type 260 or Wanderer W11 2.5L Kfz.15 ??

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[kerryboo]

Hi Sturm,
I think it is a Mercedes-Benz Stuttgart 260. Happy to be proven wrong, but it seems to have all of the identifying features.
Those radiator covers really do not help!
Cheers,
Kerry.

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi Sturm and Kerry,
Good question since they look very similar. I agree with you Kerry that it is a Stuttgart 260. Compare below that the leading edge of the front wings are more "curvy" on the 260 and not as sharp as the W 11 and that the bonnet louvers are higher up. A couple of other details which may or may not be pertinent is that the W 11 generally (but not always) has hub caps and a temp gauge rather than a radiator cap.

[Sturm78]

Max wrote
Good question since they look very similar. I agree with you Kerry that it is a Stuttgart 260. Compare below that the leading edge of the front wings are more "curvy" on the 260 and not as sharp as the W 11 and that the bonnet louvers are higher up. A couple of other details which may or may not be pertinent is that the W 11 generally (but not always) has hub caps and a temp gauge rather than a radiator cap.

Kerry wrote
I think it is a Mercedes-Benz Stuttgart 260. Happy to be proven wrong, but it seems to have all of the identifying features.
Those radiator covers really do not help!

Ummmhhhh....perhaps you are right but I have never seen a MB Type 260 in Kfz.15 configuration....while the Wanderer W11 is common as Kfz.15...

Regards
Sturm78

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi Sturm,
That may be so, but it doesn't alter the position of the bonnet louvers, which to me are positioned too high and too far forward for a W 11 10/50 PS.

[kerryboo]

Hello Max and Sturm,
I still lean towards the M-B. The high cut wings and the position of the louvres are good points. There is also the fact that the headlight bar is bolted directly to the wings on the M-B, but the headlights on the early, 2.5 litre, W11 were supported by "sprouts" rising from the wing. This is pointing me more towards the Stuttgart. The kfz15 is something of a "curve ball" however. It is a shame that the wheel hubs cannot be seen, they could well have been helpful.
Cheers,
Kerry.

[Sturm78]

Hi Max and Kerry,

A Mercedes-Benz Type 260 therefore, in Kfz.15 configuration...

Regards
Sturm78

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi Sturm,
That would be my best guess until someone posts a photo of a Wanderer W 11 with similar bonnet louvers.
In any case thanks for posting these "head scratchers". They're rather fun.

[kerryboo]

Sturm and Max,
Thank you both, thought provoking, just as it should be!
Kerry.

[von thoma]

Any ideas about the brand of this car ?
Thank you,