Vehicle identity requests

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by riffraff » 15 Sep 2009 12:46

Markus,
Thanks for your reply (re: Elrkönig). The link to the other discussion was interesting. I still think this is a different car from the Kfz 2-4 series. I think the small car in the original photo is a very small 2-door car whereas the Kfz 2-4 series are designed to be 4-doors with variosu doors omitted due to configurations (communications, etc).

Certainly the one Stöwer shown with the cut down fenders is getting closer but I still think it's a much larger vehicle.

Does anyone know how the Wehrmacht assigned it's license plates? It might be possible to determine the timeframe of the car in my original post.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Befehl227 » 16 Sep 2009 20:19

Today's catch...

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1. Wanderer?

2. Hanomag 4/20?

3. ???

4. GAZ AA?

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Bill Murray » 17 Sep 2009 01:07

Befehl:

The third one is a Ford Eifel (German).

I believe you have the rest more or less correct, at least according to the makers name.
Bill

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Befehl227 » 17 Sep 2009 02:15

Bill Murray wrote:Befehl:

The third one is a Ford Eifel (German).

I believe you have the rest more or less correct, at least according to the makers name.
Bill
Bill, thank you very much! Image

Do you know what type the Wanderer could be?

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Sep 2009 11:49

Hi all,

I found these images on Ebay and I need your help to Id. correctly:

Image 1 : :? truck with gas generator.
Image 2 and 3 : Mercedes-Benz Luftwaffe bus but I do not the model.

Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Bill Murray » 17 Sep 2009 12:57

Hi Sturm:

I am just running to my shop, so quickly, the Wanderer should be a W23 and the gas producer truck is I believe a British Bedford either 3 or 5 tonner from 1938-1940 made for export, probably Holland.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 17 Sep 2009 13:27

Hi Bill, hi Sturm,

You know I´m no specialist in cars. But I´ve found a pic of a Wanderer type W 24, very similar to the car on the posted pic. Source: Walter Oswald: Deutsche Autos 1920 - 1945.

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Befehl227 » 17 Sep 2009 17:56

SIS 5 wrote:Hi Bill, hi Sturm,

You know I´m no specialist in cars. But I´ve found a pic of a Wanderer type W 24, very similar to the car on the posted pic. Source: Walter Oswald: Deutsche Autos 1920 - 1945.

Regards

Bert
Bert, the Wanderer W24 (Viertürer) was also my first guess, but I wasn't sure, because I couldn't find better pics (of that type) on the net.

/Stefan

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 17 Sep 2009 17:59

Hi Sturm,

I think Bill has it right on your producer gas truck; it's definitely a 28 hp Bedford, and looks to me like a long bonnet version with twin wheels which would make it the 2 - 3 ton M type - MS, I think, as it looks short wheelbase. The wings, cab, bonnet side panels etc are not standard which probably means it was supplied as a chassis and cowl (MSZ) with the cab and body built locally.

Sean

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Bill Murray » 17 Sep 2009 22:48

Hi Sean, Bert and Stefan:

As always with not too great photos, the devil is in the details.

The Wander W23 and W24 seem to differ mostly from a visual point of view in the length of the wheelbase and some fairly minor details.

The Bedford, I am willing to definitely call an "M" and whether it is an MS (short) or ML (long) wheelbase truck I cannot really tell. For sure, as Sean points out, it started out as a chassis without much else as all the rest of the vehicle is not to Bedford specifications.

Bill

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sean N » 18 Sep 2009 06:53

Bill Murray wrote:Hi Sean, Bert and Stefan:

As always with not too great photos, the devil is in the details.

Bill
Absolutely!

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Sep 2009 10:35

Hi all,

Thank you for your help for Id. Bedford truck with gas generator, Bill and Sean. Have anyone any ideas for the Mercedes-Benz bus?

Henning, about your trailer question on 08 Jul 2009
Hello
I find that interessting pic.

What kind of trailer is it?

http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-LKW-Fahrzeug-Te ... 7C294%3A50

regards
Henning
I think more in a Sd.Ah. 469. The Sd.Ah. 469 had three windows and Sd.Ah. 468 had four windows according to "German Military Trailers and Towed Equipment" of Horst Beiersdorf.Image from Ebay


Regards Sturm78
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 18 Sep 2009 14:19

Hin Sturm 78,

after searching in the book "Mercedes Benz Lastwagen und Omnibusse 1896 - 1986" by Werner Oswald I think it must be the type O 4000, built from 1934 to 1938, only 132 were built. I´ve found a pic of an elder model from 1935 with another body, I will post it.

Regards

Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Sep 2009 18:07

Hi Bert, thank you very much for your help. :D

Sturm78

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 19 Sep 2009 19:43

Hi all,

can anybody of You ID the trucks in front of the pic in spite of the distance.
Thanks in advance.

Bert
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