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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby John Hilly » 01 Feb 2013 19:21

kerryboo wrote:What are the truck and gun here, please?
Thanks,
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Gentlemen. When you have spare time from studying the trucks, take a note on the scenary. Alps, Italy perhaps not Russia.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby SIS 5 » 01 Feb 2013 19:29

Hi John,

thank You for Your real good comment. I´m living near to the Alps and I cannot imagine, that it is in the Alps. I think it could be in the mountains of Norway.

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Bert

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Bill Murray » 02 Feb 2013 12:50

Hi again Bert:

I have been studying your Chev photo for some time now and I think I was incorrect in calling it a 1543X2.
I am not sure which designation you intended in your post but I now think it is a CC60LX2 or a CC60LX3.

The 1543X2 had 32X6 tyres with duals on the rear. The CC60L had 10:50-16 tyres, single rear on the X2 and dual on the X3.

I don't think I have ever seen a photo of an X3 and your photo seems to show a vehicle with dual rear wheels so I immediately thought of a 1543X2. In looking closer, the tyres on your vehicle seem much too large for a 1543X2 and you can see the hubs on the rear wheel which to my eyes are the very distinctive style of the larger wheel.

If either one or both of us are correct, this still leaves the mystery of where Kerry's photo was taken.
To the best of my knowledge, these trucks only went to North Africa. I have seen some photos of some really unusual vehicles that German units took to Norway and perhaps some of these units may have come from North Africa, I just don't know. I do believe that some countries in North Africa do receive some snow in the winter but I cannot pinpoint the kind of geography depicted in Kerry's photo.

Anyway, I am putting up two photos here to show the different wheel hubs, not necessarily 1941 models but the wheels were the same.

Bill
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Bill Murray » 02 Feb 2013 12:55

Sorry, the second photo did not post.

Edit: The first photo is from an expired ebay auction in 2010, the second I clipped off of Google and it is a die cast model.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Sturm78 » 02 Feb 2013 15:21

Hi all,

I need help with this vehicle. I think SdKfz 261 but the frame antenna is fixed in a rare position. :?
Can anyone confirm SdKfz 261 ?

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Postby fredleander » 02 Feb 2013 15:47

Bill Murray wrote:Sorry, the second photo did not post.

Edit: The first photo is from an expired ebay auction in 2010, the second I clipped off of Google and it is a die cast model.


I believe it's a Chevrolet 1940-41

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Postby fredleander » 02 Feb 2013 15:55

SIS 5 wrote:Hi John,

thank You for Your real good comment. I´m living near to the Alps and I cannot imagine, that it is in the Alps. I think it could be in the mountains of Norway.

Regards

Bert


The picture is not taken in Norway - no houses like that in Norway. I'd suggest the Balkans or the Carpathians. Could be a truck taken from the Brits in Greece.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Bill Murray » 02 Feb 2013 15:57

Precis, Fred:

I was in a hurry and I should have given the year model, 1941.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby SIS 5 » 02 Feb 2013 18:26

Hi Fred, hi Bill,

that´s really good, the Balkans. I could find a pic of a captured Chevrolet truck CC 60 with the insignia of the 5th Panzerdivision, which was fighting in the Balkans in 1941 (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).
Bill, You are the expert in the American and Canadian trucks. You know it much better than me and so I leave You to make the right designation of this Chevrolet truck.

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Bert
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby barbarossa28 » 02 Feb 2013 19:03

Hello Sturm78,

this is a Sd. Kfz. 221. The turret was removed and a frame antenna was added. The vehicle was used by 7. PD.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Bill Murray » 02 Feb 2013 19:06

Fan Fred!!

I completely forgot about Greece and of course that would open up the possibilities you mention.
Good memory for you, bad for me.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby kerryboo » 03 Feb 2013 11:45

Dear Bill, Bert, J-P, Fred and all that have commented, thank you. I think maybe a wider view of the topography may help, more building and hills,
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Bill Murray » 03 Feb 2013 13:17

Hi Kerry and all:

OK,this is not definitive, but I just spent a half hour Googling Jugoslavia/Serbia/Balkan farmhouses etc. etc. 1941.
No one photo was worth posting here, but there were a few where you could make out more or less the same style of house roofing and fencing we see in your photo. Certainly does not look like Norway.

Not to jump thread subjects, but that area was not a good place to be in 1941!! About 1/4 of the photos were of partisans being executed, some singly and some in large groups.

Maybe someone with more knowledge of the Balkans at that time can verify or correct my observations.

Bill

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Sturm78 » 03 Feb 2013 16:36

Holger wrote
this is a Sd. Kfz. 221. The turret was removed and a frame antenna was added. The vehicle was used by 7. PD.


Thank you very much, Holger :wink:

Regards Sturm78

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Postby Alanmccoubrey » 03 Feb 2013 18:29

Kerry,I think that the guns may be 10,5 cm leFh 16's. I'm terrible with allied trucks but the grill makes me think Chevvie, did Norway buy Chevvies ?
Alan


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