Vehicle identity requests

[Maxschnauzer]

Hi guys,
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[the Rocketman]

Thanks Max,


Bert

[ilfil]

Hi Bert,
I've took a look and there is no firm proof this particular propaganda van is based on MAN chassis but most probabaly it is. Looks to me the same chassis as on this earlier vehicle, the picture came from an old magazine and is titled "Lorenz Radio Werbe LKW mit stromlinienförmigem Aufbau Gaubschat auf MAN Chassis im Jahre 1935":



Cheers!

[Sturm78]

Bert wrote
on Your pic is a NAG type KO 12. Here a pic of this truck (source: http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de by Holger Erdmann).

Thank you for your help, Bert

Sturm78

[snuffbox]

Hi snuffbox,

now I can go on with the ID of the unit of the Berliet truck:
I have found a pic of the same unit with the number 1 (source: ebay). This Hanomag tractor is towing fuel trailers. So this vehicle belongs to the 7th fuel supply motor column. The following batallions had a 7th fuel supply column: 529, 533, 686 and 909. Here an overall view of the supply units of the DAK. And You can read at the batallion 909 "Aus Tunis-Kfz in Afrika aufgestellt" (raised by Tunis-vehicles in Africa). So on our pic is a captured Berliet from Tunis. This truck is not tank truck or tractor like on the other pic, but it could be the truck with the field kitchen of this unit. That´s my theory. What do You think about it?

Regards

Bert

Hi sorry missed this reply, only just noticed it.

That's fantastic work thanks alot, two of his other photos are noted as "water stops" one "near tobruk nov 42" and this one "wasserstelle sidi *unreadable* nov 42".



Apart from that his only other photos are him in Tunisia and tripoli in Dec 42 and 1943.

In a photo of what looks like his section in the desert, none are armed so I think you're right about him being something to do with the supply train. In fact in none of his photos he is armed, unlike his gebirgsjager brother in which in his photos he is nearly always armed

Thanks again.

[SIS 5]

Hi snuffbox,

thanks for the reply and posting another pic. Could it be possible, that Your uncles changed the unit? From the supply motor transport batallion (Nachschub-Kolonnen-Abteilungen) 902 to 909, 686, 533, 529 or 619? (H 3 - 25 = third column, vehicle number 25). Or did they do military service in two different supply units of the DAK? Here another pic of the truck I posted 24th July. I think it is from the same unit (H 6 - 8), obviously with Ford trucks.

Best regards

Bert

[snuffbox]

Hi snuffbox,

thanks for the reply and posting another pic. Could it be possible, that Your uncles changed the unit? From the supply motor transport batallion (Nachschub-Kolonnen-Abteilungen) 902 to 909, 686, 533, 529 or 619? (H 3 - 25 = third column, vehicle number 25). Or did they do military service in two different supply units of the DAK? Here another pic of the truck I posted 24th July. I think it is from the same unit (H 6 - 8), obviously with Ford trucks.

Best regards

Bert

Hi Bert,

There should be just one of them in the DAK, he could have moved around but also possibly because these photos were taken during the DAK retreat that he could have been withdrawing mixed together with the other units?

I think the photo of the Berliet is definitely his personal unit as it's the only vehicle pictured and shows one solider not in uniform relaxing as apposed to the last photo which shows them all in column.

I think you are right about being part of 585, also he would have been recruited from Wehrkreis VII if that makes a difference.

Thanks again,

Kyle.

[Mobius]

Hi Bert,
I've took a look and there is no firm proof this particular propaganda van is based on MAN chassis but most probabaly it is. Looks to me the same chassis as on this earlier vehicle, the picture came from an old magazine and is titled "Lorenz Radio Werbe LKW mit stromlinienförmigem Aufbau Gaubschat auf MAN Chassis im Jahre 1935":



Cheers!

Interesting RV photo..

[Maxschnauzer]

I have a couple of questions concerning this propaganda vehicle of the Volksfürsorge. From the eight bolt wheel pattern it appears to be at least a 2 tonner, but no M-B lorries match the bonnet louver pattern. Therefore I think it is based on the Lo/O 2600 omnibus chassis. Does that seem correct?
Also I wonder why the vehicle has the original "Socialist looking" Volksfürsorge logo? Since presumably the organization was incorporated into the DAF at the time why not use their logo with the hakenkreuz?

[uncle]

Hi Friends.
passenger car (your opinion).
Many thanks in advance.

[Bill Murray]

I'm not very good with Brit commercials, Kerry is much better. But, Austin 8, 1939?? Bill

[uncle]

Bill many thanks!!!
Indeed similar.
Best regards!

[kerryboo]

Hello Bill,
Yes indeed an Austin 8HP Tourer.
The difference between a civilian and a military tourer are subtle, but the major indicator in the engine cooling vents, which are obscured. The civilian model had, as in the factory shot, a decorative series of horizontal slots, the military has just two simple, slightly canted, "hooded" slots. Also, the simple disc wheels are a possible indicator of military origin. It is reasonable to assume that this is a military model. I attach a scan for comparison,
Best regards,
Kerry.

[ilfil]

I agree the simple wheels on Uncle's picture suggest military model but the trafficator is behind the door like on civilian 8HP and 10HP open tourers, so with those obscured bonnet sides it is impossible to say what exactly it is. In that matter I wonder again: why all those idiots always pose in most inappropriate place(s)?
Cheers!

[kerryboo]

I am afraid that I cannot agree. In the photos I have I would say that, where visible, around 50% have the same indicator/trafficators behind the door. I have not been able to find any reliable source to suggest why it should be so but both styles were used on the Military Tourer. Here is one recently captured.
Cheers,
Kerry.