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Info on this strange German panzer

Postby Panzermahn » 04 Jun 2005 03:43

According to the caption of thsi photo from the book, German Campaigns in WW2 by Chris Bishop and Adam Warner,

these German panzers are multi-turreted NbFz VI

Any infos on these tanks and the fate of them?

Thanks for any help
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Postby Bubbles » 04 Jun 2005 05:20

Neubaufahrzeug Pz.VI
Type: Medium/Heavy tank
crew: 6
arm: One 7.5cm Kwk L/24 ; one 3.7cm.Kwk L/45; two MG13 (7.92mm)
5 prototypes built by Rheinmetall-Borsig & Krupp
(2 built in 1934; 3 built in 1935 - dead-end, non-production series.)

* (On the 25th April 1940, Gruppe Pellangahr [made up of elements of the 196. Infantry Division and some of PzAbt zbV40 zbV. ran into a British blocking position held by the 1st Battalion of Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry at the village of Kvam. The British had no heavy weapons only two 3" mortars and five 25mm Hotchkiss anti-tank guns. The lead element of the German advance included 3 panzers at least one of which was a NbFz VI . The British held their fire until the enemy was at the range of 150 yards and then opened fire. The Panzers then attempted to maneuver into position, it was at this time that the NbFz VI was put out of action by one of the anti-tank guns. The Germans stopped to bring up their guns and call up the Luftwaffe, the British managed to hold on until the evening of the 26th before withdrawing. The remains of the NbFz VI (a section of the running gear) can still be seen in the small museum at Kvam and until the late 1980's the 25mm anti-tank gun was still to be seen in good condition, left in spot where it was left by its previous owners in April of 1940.) - <from "Actung Panzer" site - Goerge Parada.>

Sources:
Panzertruppen Vol.1 - Tom Jentz.
Encyclopedia of German Tanks - Chamberlin & Doyle.
(a note on Jentz: Throughout the text on panzers in "Weseruebung",Jentz refers to the Neubaufahrzueg "heavy" tank as "Nbfz.IV" - this is confusing, and unattributed as far as I can tell, so may just be a publishing typo)

source: http://hem.fyristorg.com/robertm/norge/ ... .V.40.html


also look here:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/neu.htm
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/neu_nor.jpg

also:
Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40 and Neubaufahrzeuge
On April 9th, first and second companies were sent to Denmark, while third company was sent to Norway aboard ships "Urundi" and "Antaris H". On April 17th, only single Panzerkampfwagen I and Panzerkampfwagen II arrived in Oslo aboard "Urundi". The rest of the company (single Kleiner Panzer Befehlswagen I command tank, twelve PzKpfw I and six PzKpfw II tanks) went down with "Antaris H" (and other transports), which was sunk in the North Sea by a British submarine.
In order to recompensate for the loss, platoon size unit equipped with three Neubaufahrzeug Panzerkampfwagen VI (Krupp turret) heavy tanks commanded by Lieutenant Hans Horstmann was sent to Norway. This unit was also known as Panzerzug Horstmann or Zug Putloss. It arrived in Oslo on April 19th, where its tanks were displayed for propaganda purposes. The focus was on three Neubaufahrzeug Panzerkampfwagen VI (Krupp turret) heavy tanks, which were to show the Allies that the German Panzertruppe was equipped with heavy tanks. The unit was then assigned to Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40 and 196th Infantry Division and on April 20th moved to Hamar.
Two of heavy tanks saw service with Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40, while the third with Gruppe Pellangahr. The Gruppe Pellangahr was composed of elements of Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40 and 196th Infantry Division. On April 25th, the one assigned to the Gruppe Pellangahr was immobilized by the British 25mm (French Hotchkiss) anti-tank gun position in the village of Kvam. One of two tanks from Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40, drove and was stuck in the

swampy area at Åndalsnes and was eventually blown up by the German engineers. It was then replaced on May 16th of 1940, with a mild steel prototype giving the Pz. Abt. z. B. v. 40 once again the strength of three heavy tanks. Overall, Neubaufahrzeug Panzer- kampfwagen VI (Krupp turret) heavy tanks proved to be unsuited for combat but in many cases provided infantry with the only available support.

source: http://www.nuav.net/panzer.html

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Postby Panzermahn » 04 Jun 2005 08:08

Bubbles,

That is great! Thanks for the helpful info!!!!

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More!

Postby medieval dudes » 04 Jun 2005 10:07

Here is a picture for you JC

http://klub.chip.pl/krzemek/galeria/neubaud.jpg

And some technical info to add on to Bubbles' great websites:

http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/532.html#717

I hope this helps
Gregory :D

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Postby MaisAlto » 04 Jun 2005 12:41

A few more pics of a rare machine...
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Postby Christian Ankerstjerne » 04 Jun 2005 16:07

A quick note: These vehicles never had roman numerrals in their names, and they weren't known as 'Pz.Kpfw.V' or 'Pz.Kpfw.VI' either.

Christian

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Postby Panzermahn » 05 Jun 2005 02:58

Guys,

Thanks a lot!! You fellows are real panzer experten here

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Postby nuyt » 18 May 2007 11:21

Very interesting vehicles.
I noted that the main gun of the Neubau and other experimetnal tanks was the KwK 7,5cm L24. What exactly was this gun like and who built this: Krupp or Rheinmetall?
And are their close-ups of this weapon?
It must be an earlier vversion of the 1937 model that would be used throughout the war.
The tanks designed around 1930 all had a similar cal gun:
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/neu.htm
Tks and regards,
Nuyt

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Postby ChristopherPerrien » 18 May 2007 17:27

So this tank had a PzI turret as a bow mg turret? They look identical.

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Postby the shadock » 18 May 2007 22:23

Bubbles wrote:The remains of the NbFz VI (a section of the running gear) can still be seen in the small museum at Kvam and until the late 1980's the 25mm anti-tank gun was still to be seen in good condition, left in spot where it was left by its previous owners in April of 1940.) - <


Any picture of this unique remain?

Thanks

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Re: Info on this strange German panzer

Postby tigre » 08 Sep 2017 03:22

Hello to all :D; a little complement.............................

Neubaufahrzeug.

Source: http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/photo/germ ... .fz_s1.jpg

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Info on this strange German panzer

Postby tigre » 14 Oct 2017 18:57

Hello to all :D; more.............................

Neubaufahrzeug - Norway 1940.

Panzerzug Horstmann, was unloaded at Oslo on the morning of 19 April and paraded through the city before setting off in the direction of Konigsvingen Elverum...............................

Source: https://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/tanks/germany/nb.fz.htm
https://scalezilla.org/category/other/photo/

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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