Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by romsitsa » 07 Feb 2020 12:45

ayovtshev wrote:
07 Feb 2020 11:02
Sturm78 wrote:
02 Feb 2020 13:23
Thank you very much for your answers, Adam

About the rangefinder trailer, dou you have any better quality image of it ? It is a very rare trailer...!!

About the last image of the Steyr 1500, I think it is a Bulgarian vehicle..

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I can confirm the Steyr 1500 is a Bulgarian one: the Audi-like stencil indicates a vehicle from the Bulgarian Armoured Brigade.

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Angel
Thanks Angel, moved it into my Bulgarian folder.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Leo Niehorster » 08 Feb 2020 09:55

romsitsa wrote:
07 Feb 2020 00:27
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So it’s a redesigned AC-2 from wich later the 39M Csaba prototype evolved. And while the AC-2 (Csaba forerunner) became the property of the RHA and was handed over to Ludovika as a training vehicle, the 39M prototype (that looks like a 39M Csaba) remained in the possession of WM...

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Didn't the unarmored Csaba prototypes go the the Police? Or was that later?

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by romsitsa » 08 Feb 2020 10:20

Hello Leo, AC-2 went to Ludovika (got the licence number P-019) the prototype stayed at WM, the first batch of mild steel cars went to different RHA units as training vehicles (Pc-101 to Pc-108). This first batch of 8 cars were made of mild steel as armor plates were not at hand.
In theory the two 39M of the Rendörség were part of the 2nd production batch, so these should be armored versions.
I know of two instances when a mild steel car possibly saw frontline action, one was sent for a recce mission (in late 1944 or early 1945) from a cadet school and the commander was pretty nervous as he knew the car had no armor, the other one is the photo of the wrecked Csaba in Budapest, taken after the siege. This car has a unique hatch on its upper right side, so it’s most likely one of the first 8 cars, but with a standard turret.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Leo Niehorster » 08 Feb 2020 12:30

Good stuff! :D

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Nimrod7 » 08 Feb 2020 18:55

Leo Niehorster wrote:
08 Feb 2020 12:30
Good stuff! :D

Many thanks

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You can find a picture here I think - Fortepan 43910. The rear plate is slightly different.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Feb 2020 21:06

Adam wrote
Hello Sturm, it’s a bit confusing as usual with us :). Straussler was a Hungarian engineer and inventor who moved to England, but regularly visited Hungary. He kept good relations with many Hungarian firms, like Weiss Manfred (WM), so some of his ideas/prototypes were in fact produced here. The vehicle which I call the forerunner of the Csaba was based on his AC-2 armored car (offered for purchase to the British government), but the RHA was also looking for an armored car, so it was partially redesigned by WM to fit the requirements of the RHA.
Some sources call this vehicle an AC-3, but afaik, the AC-3 was developed from the AC-2 for the British Air Ministry and by this time Straussler merged with Alvis.
So it’s a redesigned AC-2 from wich later the 39M Csaba prototype evolved. And while the AC-2 (Csaba forerunner) became the property of the RHA and was handed over to Ludovika as a training vehicle, the 39M prototype (that looks like a 39M Csaba) remained in the possession of WM...
Thank you very much for your information, Adam... :)

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by romsitsa » 11 Feb 2020 23:01

Sturm, please check your private messages.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Feb 2020 22:05

Hi all,

I found this image on Korbuly archive webpage. According to photo caption, Straussler LAC prototype.
Does somebody have any aditional information about this vehicle ?

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by romsitsa » 14 Feb 2020 16:04

Hello,

it's an offroad gun tractor and all purpose vehicle, designed after the call of the War office (England) in 1938.
The picture depicts the prototype, with a temporary superstructure, before shipping it into the UK.
It was the last Straussler design built by Weiss Manfred. Weight was 5 t, two V-8 Ford engines were used without a diferential (one engine per side between front and rear wheels).
It had excellent off-road capabilities, but was rejected by the British Army as the drive train was too complicated.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Mar 2020 17:31

Thanks for your info, Adam... :wink:

Is this Zrinyi image a colourized image or a real wartime colour photo ?

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by VRIL7 » 12 Aug 2020 19:32

Hello everyone.
I'm new to this topic. I am very interested in four wheel drive vehicles. Please help with the image and technical characteristics of the unique Hungarian tractor MWG T 41M Bakony prototype. I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance.
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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by Nimrod7 » 16 Aug 2020 20:03

Raba 41M.jpg
Here is one picture. I know the vehicle as Raba 41M but I think it is the vehicle that you ask about.
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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by VRIL7 » 17 Aug 2020 08:55

Hi Nimrod7.
Thanks for the help, but this is not "MWG T 41M Bakony". On your photo the "Raba Maros Т41М" tractor, which was produced in series. And "T 41M Bakony" was produced by another company - Manfred Weiss and only a prototype.
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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by romsitsa » 26 Aug 2020 19:22

Hello!
The Raba-Maros (K-3) was 3t truck introduced in 1943. Afaik there is no Rába Maros 41M.
The truck in the photo is a 41M Rába or 41M Rába Bakony, in other sources.
Now the fun part:
Hofherr, Rába (MWG) and Weiss Manfréd (WM) was developing a new towing vehicle for artillery troops, which should have better qualities and performance than the KV-50.
This was the Super KV-50 of Hofherr, Bakony from Rába and WM didn't reach prototype stage, so the one in the photo is actually the prototype the Bakony, built by Rába.

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Re: Soft-skin vehicles in service with the Hungarian Army 30/45

Post by VRIL7 » 27 Aug 2020 19:57

Hello Adam!
Thank you for helping to sort out the unreliable information.
You are reminded of the Super KV-50 tractor. According to the information I have, it differed from the KV-50 only in size, and the engine was of the same power. Do you confirm this information? And did he have four-wheel drive? And then in the photo his front wheels look like with a gearbox.
HSCS SKV-50 (Super) прототип 1941.png
You also wrote that Weiss Manfréd was developing a prototype for an artillery tractor. This is very interesting! More details here, please. Do you have the technical specifications or an image of this interesting project? Did he have four-wheel drive? I would be very grateful.
I am looking for original Hungarian design, especially with all-wheel drive.
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