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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Der Alte Fritz » 14 Nov 2014 08:00

Perhaps we should make this a joint effort to scan and translate these documents. A sample would tell us if the information was worth the effort.
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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Teddy Wisch » 14 Nov 2014 09:02

As Michate said, the MGFA's historians refer these documents lots of times, at least in vol. VI: The global war: http://www.amazon.com/Germany-Second-Wo ... global+war

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby MLW » 14 Nov 2014 16:47

Well....maybe. To get access to the FMS you have to first convince the archivists that the FMS document you want is not on microfiche. Then you need a supervisor's approval of your request. It is not that hard to do, but additional steps and time are needed to get access to the FMS collection.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby archiveruk » 26 Nov 2014 20:22

If anybody knows if there are copies in the UK, and where they are located, I'd volunteer to photograph them and post the pages online.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Tom Peters » 27 Nov 2014 01:18

A few copies are in the IWM. Is easier and cheaper to download those that are available from fold3.com.

If you want the FMS documents that were not scanned, you can get copies from BAMA or NARA. If at NARA its relatively easy to get the originals, you just need a good reason. For example if the fiche copies are missing documents, or were shot out of focus you can get permission.

Are there specific documents you are looking for ?

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby RichTO90 » 27 Nov 2014 04:29

MLW wrote:Well....maybe. To get access to the FMS you have to first convince the archivists that the FMS document you want is not on microfiche. Then you need a supervisor's approval of your request. It is not that hard to do, but additional steps and time are needed to get access to the FMS collection.

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Depending on where you are in Maryland it would be easier for you to go up to Carlisle to the U.S.Army Heritage and Education Center. They have complete sets of the FMS and are very happy to help.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Der Alte Fritz » 27 Nov 2014 08:36

archiveruk wrote:If anybody knows if there are copies in the UK, and where they are located, I'd volunteer to photograph them and post the pages online.


As far as I am aware, this series is not held in the UK. So it would be a case of getting the original paper copies from the German Archive at Frieburg or NARA the American archive and scanning them. It would be prohibitively expensive to 'order' the from the institutions so it will require a visit by someone close to them.

Or how about contacting Fold3 as they obviously have facilities for obtaining documents and scanning them as they did with the original microfiches.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Tom Peters » 02 Dec 2014 02:54

Fold3 digitized all of the M1035 series, which was about ~80% of all the FMS documents. If what you want is in there, its by far a better deal to get a 1 year access, and download what you need. If you have a specific document in mind, PM me - I already have all the M1035 series on my hard drive.

Rich: did Carlisle get just the M1035 ? There are some FMS docs missing at NARA and BAMA that I have hopes that someone has…..

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Der Alte Fritz » 02 Dec 2014 09:27

Hi Mad Dog
What we are looking for is:
P-114b German Army Group Operations on the Eastern Front, 1941 - 45* Central Area. By General der Infanterie
Rudolf Hofmann; 1O vols; 1958. (Not translated)

P-114c German Army Group Operations on the Eastern Front, 1941 - 45, Southern Area. By General der Artillerie
F.W. Hauck; 8 vols; to be completed by December 1959- (Will not be translated)

one is 10 volumes and the other is 8!

Do not know if they are on M1035.

Another thing to add to the wish list is:


United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Archives
Finding Aid
RG-53
Belarus


RG-53.002M
Acc. 1993.A.0082

Title: Belarus Central State Archives records, 1941-1949 [microform].

Extent: 23 microfilm reels

Provenance: The documents were created by the Haupteisenbahndirektion (HBD) Mitte, the Reichsverkehrsdirektion (RVD) Mitte, and other German occupation agencies in Belarus from ca. 1941 to ca. 1944. The records were captured by the Red Army and placed in the Belarus Central State Archive (formerly the Archive of the October Revolution) in Minsk after World War II. Records relating to the investigation of atrocities in various Belarus oblasts and districts were created from ca. 1945 to ca. 1949. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Archives received the microfilm of the records in 1990. Acquisition made possible by a gift from Sara Ross Rosjanski.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby MLW » 02 Dec 2014 12:37

My experience is different. A few months ago I managed to access all the ETHINT documents, but the request required a justification, supervisor approval, and then special handing. It took the better part of of a day to get the records. There are also new rules about copying if the documents are bound. That is not to say that access cannot be gotten, but the FMS are a sometimes problematic. Over the last few months, the staff has been tightening the everyday rules in the research rooms.

On another note, if I remember correctly (and I may not). The library at the Command and Staff College at Leavenworth, KS has FMS.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby histan » 02 Dec 2014 14:10

The two documents you reference are not listed in the FMS reports on microfilm at NARA and are not on Fold3.

You will need to get access to hard copies.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Tom Peters » 03 Dec 2014 01:39

Like histan says, not part of what fold3 scanned. The documents are so large, this probably will have to be you going there and scanning the pages by hand. A researcher would probably cost a lot to copy so many pages.

Last week, all I had to do to get the B-series english drafts was write the reason for my request on a 3x5 card. and Tim Nenninger signed off on it within about 15 minutes. Luck of the draw I guess.

Belarus records: maybe T501 series ?

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Tom Peters » 03 Dec 2014 01:40

I forgot to mention…. for some reason I never have to get permission to get the P-series originals, in 4 years of visits. You would want the set with the ARC identifier 580594.

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Teddy Wisch » 07 May 2015 07:51

Anybody has news about Hauck's P-114b & P-114c?

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Re: Site with Foreign Military Studies 1945-54

Postby Teddy Wisch » 07 May 2015 08:59

I have discovered that the guys from fold3 have the p-114A: German Army Group Operations on the Eastern Front, by General Major Burkhart Müller-Hillebrand. Last time I checked this web I didn't see it. But here is the problem: I have tried to download it at once, but it is not possible (as far as I could see).


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