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BAMA Updates?

Post by Sean Oliver » 04 Jan 2022 00:17

Does anyone know if BAMA has a list or something of the specific items it has scanned and uploaded every week or month? It seems there is no way of knowing whether a particular inventory has scanned items or not, and each subsection must be checked manually.
It is very frustrating and time consuming to manually click through all the possible sections hoping to stumble upon scanned items. There does not appear to be any way of filtering the search results so only scanned items appear. It is necessary to click on every single item to discover if there is any docs within.
Very bad!

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by OpanaPointer » 04 Jan 2022 00:27

BAMA?
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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by jpz4 » 04 Jan 2022 10:48

Sean Oliver wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:17
There does not appear to be any way of filtering the search results so only scanned items appear.
Have you tried to check the box 'Nur Treffer mit Digitalisaten anzeigen' on the invenio search page?
OpanaPointer wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:27
BAMA?
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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Mori » 04 Jan 2022 12:43

Sean Oliver wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:17
Does anyone know if BAMA has a list or something of the specific items it has scanned and uploaded every week or month? It seems there is no way of knowing whether a particular inventory has scanned items or not, and each subsection must be checked manually.
It is very frustrating and time consuming to manually click through all the possible sections hoping to stumble upon scanned items. There does not appear to be any way of filtering the search results so only scanned items appear. It is necessary to click on every single item to discover if there is any docs within.
Very bad!
I take it as a treasure hunt and it makes it fun.
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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by OpanaPointer » 04 Jan 2022 13:31

jpz4 wrote:
04 Jan 2022 10:48
Sean Oliver wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:17
There does not appear to be any way of filtering the search results so only scanned items appear.
Have you tried to check the box 'Nur Treffer mit Digitalisaten anzeigen' on the invenio search page?
OpanaPointer wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:27
BAMA?
Bundesarchiv, Militärarchiv
Thanks.
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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Sean Oliver » 05 Jan 2022 02:12

jpz4 wrote:
04 Jan 2022 10:48
Sean Oliver wrote:
04 Jan 2022 00:17
There does not appear to be any way of filtering the search results so only scanned items appear.
Have you tried to check the box 'Nur Treffer mit Digitalisaten anzeigen' on the invenio search page?
This is no help to anyone whatsoever for any reason that I can imagine because It is still necessary to click on hundreds of sub sections to see which files are available. This means it is required to click on those you've already looked at, since most have only some contents uploaded, not all. I can't believe their archivists are so clueless and incompetent, they don't seem to understand how useless their system is. Why can't they simply announce each month which new files have been scanned and uploaded?
Keep in mind I'm simply browsing to see what they have scanned and uploaded since the last time I looked. Nevertheless, to do this I would need to click on every single folder, and each folder within, and each within that one etc etc etc until I looked through ALL of the invenio folders I'm interested in.
Unbelievable. :x

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Piet Duits » 05 Jan 2022 16:03

you seem to forget that their archivists are not responsible for uploading the material.
Some company doing the actual scanning is. And for them, it's just their job.

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Mori » 05 Jan 2022 16:40

Sean Oliver wrote:
05 Jan 2022 02:12
This is no help to anyone whatsoever for any reason that I can imagine because It is still necessary to click on hundreds of sub sections to see which files are available.
Such a difficult task. If that's too much effort for you, I wonder how you manage to *read* documents. You know, with hundreds of pages of "probably not useful" text...
I can't believe their archivists are so clueless and incompetent, they don't seem to understand how useless their system is. Why can't they simply announce each month which new files have been scanned and uploaded?
Why bother? They plan to upload everything, so why bother with intermediate updates which no one will care about in a few weeks. I am actually happy they focus on scanning documents, it's a smarter move.

Let's refocus: it's a great job BA-MA people do by offering so many documents for free and in high quality. There is nothing to complain about.

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Darius333 » 06 Jan 2022 17:03

I have just a small excel statistic on Bestand-Level or so for the BAMA files on RM naval records and can check only on the higher level, in which Bestand updates were made. A document based can be provided manually, too. If there´s a person with more time for such a list :-)

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<<in bold>> --> changes in document numbers

Auswertedatum Ebene 1 Ebene 2 Ebene 3 Ebene 4 Ebene 5 Ebene 6 Anzahl Treffer
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich 2205
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Wirtschaft, Rüstung, Landwirtschaft 22
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär 2183
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Marine 1849-1919 132
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Freikorps 1
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 2050
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Zentrale Einrichtungen … 100
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine 1950
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Spitzenbehörden 1547
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Befehlshaber 154
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Weitere nachgeordnete Einrichtungen 94
11.09.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Schiffe und Boote 155


02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich 2209
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Wirtschaft, Rüstung, Landwirtschaft 22
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär 2187
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Marine 1849-1919 132
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Freikorps 1
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 2054
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Zentrale Einrichtungen … 100
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine 1954
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Spitzenbehörden 1551
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Befehlshaber 154
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Weitere nachgeordnete Einrichtungen 94
02.10.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Schiffe und Boote 155


12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich 2209
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Wirtschaft, Rüstung, Landwirtschaft 22
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär 2187
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Marine 1849-1919 132
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Freikorps 1
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 2054
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Zentrale Einrichtungen … 100
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine 1954
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Spitzenbehörden 1551
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Befehlshaber 154
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Weitere nachgeordnete Einrichtungen 94
12.11.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Schiffe und Boote 155


23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich 2323
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Wirtschaft, Rüstung, Landwirtschaft 22
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär 2301
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Marine 1849-1919 142
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Freikorps 1
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 2158
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Zentrale Einrichtungen … 1
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine 1954
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Spitzenbehörden 1551
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Befehlshaber 154
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Weitere nachgeordnete Einrichtungen 94
23.12.2021 Bestände Norddeutscher Bund und Deutsches Reich Militär Reichswehr - Wehrmacht 1919-1946 Reichs- und Kriegsmarine Schiffe und Boote 155

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by pintere » 07 Jan 2022 17:44

Mori wrote:
05 Jan 2022 16:40
Why bother? They plan to upload everything, so why bother with intermediate updates which no one will care about in a few weeks.
They plan to upload everything? Surely that’s gonna take years if not decades to do.

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Post by smetanin albert » 07 Jan 2022 18:07

The archive planned to complete all work until 2028 (before the pandemic).
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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Mori » 07 Jan 2022 18:43

pintere wrote:
07 Jan 2022 17:44
Mori wrote:
05 Jan 2022 16:40
Why bother? They plan to upload everything, so why bother with intermediate updates which no one will care about in a few weeks.
They plan to upload everything? Surely that’s gonna take years if not decades to do.
At least everything in the series they picked, I guess.

They move on at a steady pace. If you take the Personalakten under PERS6, they loaded more than 100,000 pages in just a few months. And that's just one of the series they worked on.

I really believe going to NARA for German documents will very soon be a thing of the past.

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Tom Peters » 08 Jan 2022 02:45

NARA isnt even open for any intents. When will it open ? No one knows.

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Sean Oliver » 09 Jan 2022 03:47

While I certainly applaud BAMA's efforts, isn't the entire point of doing this to make these docs available to the public in an easily accessible form? Providing a monthly update of newly uploaded docs is hardly difficult or time consuming, regardless of who performs the scanning, and it helps those who are not necessarily entering search terms, but who browse for interesting items. I 'search' for specifics items every time I visit, which is usually not a problem, but I also want to browse through them, hoping to find things I hadn't considered searching for. Furthermore, entering search terms does not always succeed, since many of the subject descriptions which searching depends on are vague, brief, or misleading.

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Re: BAMA Updates?

Post by Mori » 09 Jan 2022 12:15

Documents *are* available in an easily accessible form.

If you take a year break and browse again in 2023, all will be available in the series now partially scanned. Your "problem" will be fixed.

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