Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

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Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 12 Feb 2024 00:43

Where would I look for units posted there and dates? Nothing on my shelf, and Im reluctant to search for random internet sources. What are the recommendations?

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by TISO » 12 Feb 2024 02:56

There is a book "Njemačka avijacija u Jugoslaviji 1941-1945" by Vojislav V. Mikić it is in serbian (latin script) but good luck getting it as it was published in only 1000 copies. It was published by Military History institute of Jugoslav Army back in 1998 as part of series (other ones are Italian aviation in YU 1941-43 and NDH aviation). It is quite good quick refrence as it deals with subject in quartals. Basicly for each quartal what was stationed where and summary of operations.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 12 Feb 2024 15:34

Thanks for that. I suspect the library at the US Army Command and Staff College would have a copy, if any exist in the US. I'll try there.

My object is two fold. One is understanding what Luftwaffe air units were stationed in Rumania January 1943. Second a general overview of the German air strength in the region those two years.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Larry D. » 12 Feb 2024 17:16

Carl:

Go to ww2.dk > menu along the left side of the home page > Luftwaffe Airfields 1935-1945 NEW.

There you will find all of the airfields, country-by-country. Under each airfield, you'll find the Luftwaffe units that were stationed there during the war.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 12 Feb 2024 21:24

Thanks Larry. Appreciate it.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 12 Feb 2024 22:54

Carl,

There might be something in Hinsley’s volumes about British intelligence. I’ll take a look.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 13 Feb 2024 23:44

Thanks again

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 14 Feb 2024 23:27

Hi Carl,

Sorry, couldn’t find anything relevant in Hinsley or in the on-line RAF monographs. It seems a bit of a blank in research terms at the moment. They might be German primary sources on-line though.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 15 Feb 2024 05:11

The airfields list on the Luftwaffe web site: http://ww2.dk/lwairfields.html

...seems to have what Im looking for. Tho its not reader friendly.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by jbroshot » 15 Feb 2024 05:21

Carl Schwamberger wrote:
12 Feb 2024 00:43
Where would I look for units posted there and dates? Nothing on my shelf, and Im reluctant to search for random internet sources. What are the recommendations?

Danke
You might find some of this information in Volume Four Sicily and Italy to the Fall of Rome 14 May 1943 - 5 June 1944 of A History of the Mediterranean Air War 1940-1945, by Christopher Shores and Giovanni Massimello et al

Example from page 404, "To provide support by elements of the Luftwaffe, Nachtschlachtgruppe 7 was formed on this date [10 October 1943] at Zagreb, with Major Theodor Blaich named commander. The Stab initially flew Ju 87s, while 1./NSGr 7 was formed from Störkampfstaffel Südost and 2./NSGr 7 from Nahaufklärungsstaffle Kroatien, these units flying a mix of Hs 126, Do 17s and He 46s until the end of the year."

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by wwilson » 15 Feb 2024 10:40

Larry D. wrote:
12 Feb 2024 17:16
Carl:

Go to ww2.dk > menu along the left side of the home page > Luftwaffe Airfields 1935-1945 NEW.

There you will find all of the airfields, country-by-country. Under each airfield, you'll find the Luftwaffe units that were stationed there during the war.

L. deZ.
Hi Larry,

Did you contribute to the text regarding those airfields ? That is an interesting resource, I found myself browsing the descriptions and enjoying the data.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Larry D. » 15 Feb 2024 15:40

@Carl, wwilson and J.Broshot,

The daily or near-daily Ia/Genst.d.Lw. document series identified below is the principal one providing the information Carl seeks. Unfortunately, only a few of them survived the war and none of those are for 1943. I've been searching for these since the early 1980's in visits to all of the possible archives, e.g., BA-MA Freiburg, NARA WashDC and College Park/Maryland, the BNA Kew-London, AFHRA Maxwell AFB/Alabama, etc. Nearly all of them were destroyed between August 1944 and June 1945.

Aufmarsch der fliegenden Verbände (Deployment of Flying Formations)

So, without this resource, it's necessary to pick through the German documents that survived the war and the British Air Ministry's AI 2/b and AI 2/e intelligence documents, especially those that used ULTRA and "Y" sources.

@wwilson,
No, I wrote the whole thing myself - it tool about 7 or 8 years.

L. deZ.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 15 Feb 2024 17:37

Thanks for that effort Larry. Aside from pure historical interest I have found such data piles & information useful for analyzing current & future military operations. I remember back in the pre internet 1980s trawling the stacks in libraries for useful historical data on analyzing artillery effects both at the macro and micro levels.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by wwilson » 15 Feb 2024 19:39

Larry,

Amazing work, thank you for that contribution.

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Re: Lufwaffee units in Balkans 1942-1943

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 17 Feb 2024 11:20

Carl Schwamberger wrote:
12 Feb 2024 00:43
Where would I look for units posted there and dates?
Hi Carl,

British Official History The Mediterranean and Middle East, Vol V part 1 page 253 has a table of strength (not units) of Axis Air Forces in that theatre on 3 September 1943 (Italian) and 31 August 1943 (German).

That states that on 31 August 1943 there were 71 German fighter/fighter-bombers in Rumania of which 51 were serviceable.

Regards

Tom

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