Stab of a Gruppe

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Davide Pastore
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Stab of a Gruppe

Postby Davide Pastore » 14 Jul 2006 05:46

I know the Stab of a Geschwader was shortened as "Stab/KG 1" (for example) and that the Stab of an independent Gruppe as "Stab/KGr 606" (for example). But what was the short identification for the Stab of a dependent Gruppe? (example, the Stab of I./KG 1)

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Postby Pips » 14 Jul 2006 06:07

Alfred Price in "The Luftwaffe Data Book" refers to the Gruppe Stab as Stab.I./JG52. In Black cross Red Start Bergstrom refers to it as I.(S)/JG52.

The odd thing about the Gruppe Stab formation was that it only consisted of three aircraft - neither Rotte nor Schwarm, but the old fashioned Kette.

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Re: Stab of Geschwader or Gruppe

Postby kfbr392 » 24 Jan 2017 15:10

Pips wrote:The odd thing about the Gruppe Stab formation was that it only consisted of three aircraft - neither Rotte nor Schwarm, but the old fashioned Kette.
That figure is also referenced in this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=123956

I read somewhere that a Gruppe of Ju 52 had a Stab of 5 aircaft.
Each squadron had 16 Ju's.
Total for the Gruppe: 53 (5+3x16=53) Ju 52.


But what about Jagdgeschwader, Stukageschwader, Zerstörergeschwader etc?
And what about aircraft per Geschwaderstab?
Lets find out: what was the number in 1939 and in 1944?


(a good place to start might be to look at the OOB at the eve of the Polish campaign, before any attrition set it:
http://www.ww2.dk/misc/ob1939.htm
it can be observed:
- many Kampfgruppen had 36 or 39 medium bombers. Stab/KG had 6 or 9 bombers
- many Jagdgruppen had 48 Bf 109. Stab/JG had 3 Bf 109
- many Stukagruppen had 39 Ju 87B ... and 3 Do 17P. Stab/StG had 3 Ju 87B
- Gruppen of KGzbV with Ju 52 had mostly 53 Ju 52)


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