Ju-88 also a Stuka ?

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Post by Wehrmann » 01 Mar 2007, 17:06

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Post by faf_476 » 02 Mar 2007, 18:36

Nice info, but what is the title of that book?
It doesn't look familiar to me.


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Post by Wehrmann » 02 Mar 2007, 19:42

"Das waren die deutschen Kampffliegerasse 1939-45" Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart
ISBN 3-87943-345-3
Book about german bomber aces in WWII.

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Post by Resmond.M » 03 Mar 2007, 18:02

China lack of such books...

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Post by faf_476 » 08 Apr 2007, 11:31

Resmond.M wrote:China lack of such books...
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Not only China, also our country, poor and sad country, :(

Well, stick to the topic,
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Post by Mauser K98k » 09 Apr 2007, 02:53

The JU-88 was designed to perform multiple roles, one of them being dive bomber. It was equipped with dive brakes and was very strong structurally to take high G's upon pullout. Some crews removed the dive brakes as a weight saving measure since they were not using it as a dive bomber.


So in that sense it could be called "stuka", but as pointed out, only the JU-87 will always be known by that name.

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Post by Grendel-B » 14 Apr 2007, 11:27

Reich Ruin wrote:I wouldn't consider the Ju-88 to be a pure dive bomber. It was found out early on that unlike the actual "Stuka", the Ju-88 was too big to dive vertically. The only way it could actually dive bomb was at shallower angles like 45 degrees or so.
Incorrect.

Ju-88 could dive from vertical dives, it just was not practical for such a large airplane. The usual diving angles were between 45 and 60 degrees.

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Post by Judas » 21 Apr 2007, 12:20

I never even knew that the JU88 was in the 'dive bomber' category, I know Stuka is derived from another term for the JU87, but as the JU88 was a larger craft with a standard wingspan the idea of diving would be precarious if not suicide! the JU88's swarmed the channel and carried out raids on key areas in London & other cities primarily due to its range, it held more fuel, crew 7 bombload and was in essence along with the Dornier the main spearhead of mass bombing raids.
The JU87 was most effective when 'Blitzkrieg' was in effect, gull winged, screaming sirens... an absolute terror weapon used to maximum effect.

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Post by Andreas » 21 Apr 2007, 23:35

Judas, welcome to the forum.

Wehrmann just posted above how the Ju 88 undertook dive-bombing. If you don't speak German, have a look at the pictures.

All the best

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Post by Judas » 22 Apr 2007, 13:19

Hello Andreas!

Yes your right, sorry for being impetuous... :oops: Sometimes I dive into a topic without reading fully what others have written!
Im working on it ;)

I have been interested in the luftwaffe since a child & find it amazing that we all still continue to learn about our interests years later!

Thanks for the welcome btw

Judas :D

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Post by dubious » 28 Apr 2007, 09:00

Forgive me if this is totally wrong, but I heard the Stuka means Cow. The Ju 87 was not the most graceful aircraft, but it certainly was effective as long as there were no enemy "wolves" to pray on them.


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Post by Andreas » 28 Apr 2007, 14:45

Stuka does not mean Cow. The German word for Cow is Kuh. There maybe confusion with the 'Stuka zu Fuss'/'Brüllende Kuh' nickname given to the rocket launchers mounted on half-tracks.

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Post by faf_476 » 29 Apr 2007, 14:34

Grendel-B wrote:
Reich Ruin wrote:I wouldn't consider the Ju-88 to be a pure dive bomber. It was found out early on that unlike the actual "Stuka", the Ju-88 was too big to dive vertically. The only way it could actually dive bomb was at shallower angles like 45 degrees or so.
Incorrect.

Ju-88 could dive from vertical dives, it just was not practical for such a large airplane. The usual diving angles were between 45 and 60 degrees.
Also, I think all planes can be a dive bomber, but speaking of sizes, they would have a hard time diving a one big plane 8O ,

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Post by Pax Melmacia » 18 May 2007, 07:54

One way you could look at it is if a particular aircraft was assigned to a Stukageschwader. (dive bomber wing) The only non-Ju-87 a/c I know of that was assigned to a frontline StG was a handful of Henschel 123s (to I/StG 162) in 1935 or thereabouts. In any case they were replaced by the first Ju-87s as soon as the latter left production lines.

(Does this mean that the term 'Stuka' existed even before the Ju-87s were issued, at least?)

Thereafter, Hs-123s and other ground attack a/c (including the cannon-armed Ju-87 tank-busters) were assigned to Schlacht (attack) gruppen or Geschwaders. AFAIK, bomb-laden JU-88s have always been in Kampf (bomber) geschwaders.

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Post by Topspeed » 18 May 2007, 14:01

Pax Melmacia wrote:The only non-Ju-87 a/c I know of that was assigned to a frontline StG was a handful of Henschel 123s (to I/StG 162) in 1935 or thereabouts..
1935 who where germans fighting back then ?

Finns also used Ju-88s..in war duties until 1945.

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