Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Grzesio » 23 Mar 2017 17:28

PC 1000 RS "Pol", produced in large quantities (4000+) as well. Hahn describes the effect on a HMS Dido class cruiser in the MTO, after an impact velocity of 1152 km/h, delayed fuse of 0.065 sec.
The PC 1000 RS that hit the cruiser passed through the entire ship, and detonated 5 meter under the keel.
By the way - I wonder, which Dido class cruiser was attacked with the rocket bombs, where and when exactly (in early 1942)? The ship apparently didn't sustained much damage and made it to Malta.

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Knouterer » 23 Mar 2017 19:24

Some discussion of LW anti-shipping capability early in the war here: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=226227
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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Grzesio » 24 Mar 2017 12:46

Thank you!
There are two Dido class ships damaged by bombs according to the links - HMS Dido on May 29, 1941 and HMS Sirius on October 7, 1943. Hmmm...
Of course Germans could misidentify the ship class too.

But according to this site http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CL-Sirius.htm HMS Sirius was hit with a 250 kg bomb on October 17, 1943:
Deployed in Aegean with HM Destroyers PATHFINDER, ECLIPSE and BEAUFORT. Reinforced HMS AURORA and destroyers in support of military operations. Bombarded Cos harbour with HMS AURORA. Under heavy and sustained air attack. Hit by 250 Kg bomb on quarterdeck and further 4 near misses causing fires aft.Major damage to armament and radar aerials from splinters. 14 of ship's company were killed and 30 wounded. Returned to Alexandria.
And then we have HMS Dido on May 29, 1941 (http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CL-Dido.htm):
Embarked troops from destroyers. Sustained direct hit on B-turret during passage of Kaso Strait. Many casualties including soldiers of The Black Watch. Extensive structural damage made forward armament unusable.
It does not look very much like a 1000 kg rocket assisted bomb hit. :(

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Urmel » 24 Mar 2017 15:24

I wasn't aware the LW was using rocket-assisted bombs in early 1942?
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Grzesio » 24 Mar 2017 16:49

Rocket assisted bombs (PC 500 RS, designated as PC 500 then) were apparently used in field/combat trials on the western front already in 1940. And there are e.g. Ju 87 and Ju 88 manuals for using PC 500 RS and/or PC 1000 RS bombs from May 1940 or April 1941.

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Post by Knouterer » 24 Mar 2017 21:30

According to an expert on the subject, Wolfgang Fleischer, rocket-assisted PC bombs were being tested in 1939/1940, but tended to fly all over the place and were not yet ready for service, although he does mention (unsuccessful) use of PC 500 RS against the Liege fortifications in May 1940. Page from Deutsche Abwurfmunition bis 1945:
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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Knouterer » 24 Mar 2017 21:58

This webpage shows covers of manuals for dropping/launching the PC 1000 RS from the Ju 87 (B and R versions) and the Ju 88A, both dated June 1941. It would seem these bombs were first used (in any numbers) during the Crete campaign: http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archiv/D ... n.html#VII
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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Urmel » 26 Mar 2017 20:55

The article posted above indicates that until the advent of the PC1400X the issues weren't sorted out?
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Grzesio » 28 Mar 2017 11:43

No, it doesn't. :)

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Post by Urmel » 28 Mar 2017 16:36

It states there was a 'qualitative jump' with the introduction of the PC1400X, and it doesn't mention anything but disappointments with the prior munitions, and nothing about its precision. So to me this indicates that it took the radio-control to make this type of munition useful.
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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by tigre » 01 Jul 2018 18:38

Hello to all :D ; taking advantage of some images that I found .........................

Attack of the dive bombers on Sevastopol.

Source: Signal Magazine No. 5 1942 - Swedish edition.

Any idea of the Soviet ships sunk during the German siege. The Stuka Wing operating there was the St.G 77. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by tigre » 12 Dec 2022 00:27

Hello to all :D ; more........................

Sinking of HMS Valentine (L69).

About 1 p.m. (May 15, 1940) a Dutch tug brought off a Dutch Naval Officer and pilot. The officer handed me a note from the Dutch Commander-in-Chief requesting cover for the Terneuzen-Borssele ferry. I proceeded at 15 knots with Whitley one mile astern. When clear of the anchorage I increased speed to 22 knots. There had been no air activity for three hours and I thought it important to reach the new position as soon as possible. I now consider this to have been a mistake as the large wake must have attracted attention from the air and most certainly provided a magnificent aiming mark. When about two miles from Terneuzen I reduced speed to 15 knots and within a few minutes the ship was hit by two large bombs from a Ju 88. The aircraft was not seen until after the bombs were dropped at a height of about 1.000 feet. The approach was at a very steep angle and the explosion occurred before fire could be opened. One bomb went down the after funnel and exploded No.2 boiler. The second bomb hit the ship’s side on the starboard side abreast the bridge. The main steam pipe was hit but the ship had sufficient way to reach the southern bank of the river where she beached forward at an angle of about 30 degrees to the bank and a list of 20 degrees to port.

Junkers Ju-88A-1 "4D + C?" (2./ KG 30). Failed to return from low-level attack on shipping at Vlissingen and crashed into the Westerschelde estuary off Beveland, possibly victim of AA fire from destroyer HMS Whitley. FF Uffz Ludwig Wengert, BF Uffz Martin Stampfer, and BO Obergefr Josef Wunder all killed, BS Flgr Adolf Trinkl rescued by Dutch steamer and captured badly wounded – later released. Aircraft 100% write-off.

Sources: https://db.wingstovictory.nl/pdf/51-story.pdf
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=20800
http://k5e.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/0 ... e-1940.jpg

Any idea about the bombs? Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by Takao » 13 Dec 2022 16:43

tigre wrote:
01 Jul 2018 18:38
Hello to all :D ; taking advantage of some images that I found .........................

Attack of the dive bombers on Sevastopol.

Source: Signal Magazine No. 5 1942 - Swedish edition.

Any idea of the Soviet ships sunk during the German siege. The Stuka Wing operating there was the St.G 77. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
The warship is the Soviet Chervona Ukraina, and was sunk. Most of the armament and some of the ammunition was salvaged during the war for use ashore or on other Soviet warships. Final salvage & removal was completed during the post-war years.
https://en.topwar.ru/34292-istoriya-slu ... raina.html

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Re: Luftwaffe anti-shipping capability

Post by tigre » 14 Dec 2022 11:37

Hello Takao :D;
The warship is the Soviet Chervona Ukraina, and was sunk.
thanks for your input :wink:. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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