LUFT46.com pusher designs

[Topspeed]

There is a really futuristic...what if site:

http://www.luft46.com

I am really fascinated about their pusher prop designs.

Gö-9 being the only realised design there is not much to show in threads, but what is your favourite of them and why ?


My favoutite is here; http://www.luft46.com/bv/bv207-2.html

With 4 000 hp Argus AS 413 it would have been a really dangerous also for jet pilots.

Lars Giertz V-Max Probe has excatly same kinda tail, but gear was different.

I think the tail area is too small for that kinda plane to overcome the gyroscopic forces in landing, but keeping a good speed possibly no problem at all.

The F-16 air intake is brilliant; http://www.luft46.com/tpart/tp207-4.jpg

[Ome_Joop]

One of the more realistic designs i guess Bf-109TL

http://www.luft46.com/mess/me109tl.html

The ultimate 109 or the 109's last stand
Why it's something completly new but still very familiar!

Missed the question...Pusher Me-334 small and nimble!

[Topspeed]

Seems that this 209.02 from Blohm & Voss was further refined:

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds207-1.jpg

[Kristian S.]

I love this one. The Dornier Do P.252. Elegant design, very heavy armament, excellent visibility and "there was an internal radar dish inside the interchangeable (!) nose section". Imo the perfect non-jet-powered night fighter.

[Tim Smith]

Missed the question...Pusher Me-334 small and nimble!

Very pretty. Very small. Very fast. Very nimble-looking.

But.....very lightly armed ("Intended armament was to be two MG 131 13mm machine guns") and very short-ranged (so small there's hardly any space in that design for fuel tanks, the fuselage is almost wholly taken up with the engine, radiators and cockpit.)

[Sewer King]

I have seen only a few of the Luft '46 books. Were all these designs in various other volumes?

Pusher Me-334 small and nimble!

Would the pilot be sitting atop the propeller shaft as in the American P-39?

With an inverted tail and prop diameter that size, that would be some tall tricycle landing gear. Also with wide wheelbase, and taking up even more room in the wings and fuselage!

I suppose that despite all, it might be better than the XF-85 Goblin parasite fighter.

-- Alan

[Topspeed]

I agree this Me -334 that would possibly have fueltanks in the wings and looks a lot slimmer than Goblin thus might have been pretty successful.

The jet-age came like the ice-age and pretty much killed all prop developements that were being developed. In war time the speed was everything and in this respect the sound barrier was an obstacle for prop plane that cannot be conquered. Fuel efficiency OTOH is very good in pusher props like B&V 209.2 etc ( Lear Fan 2100 was a lot more efficient ).

It curious though that 1903 Wright bros developed their Flyer, but borrowed ideas from Edson Gallaudet who later was the first to fly axial connected pusher prop lay out design at twice the speed than contemporaries already in 1911-13.

A first jet was flown by Henri Coanda already in 1910. So Gallaudet pusher was a later developement than a jet in historical aspect.

rgds,

juke

[Deadlybirds]

Blohm und Voss Bv P.208 Skoda-Kauba

This one was created using a Skoda Kauba design
http://www.luft46.com/bv/bvp208.html
http://www.histaviation.com/Skoda-Kauba ... d_SL6.html

[Topspeed]

B&V 208 indeed is slick one.

He P.75 is a canard design..

http://www.luft46.com/henschel/hsp75f.jpg

[phylo_roadking]

The jet-age came like the ice-age and pretty much killed all prop developements that were being developed.

Topspeed - this just wasn't the case. Prop developments STILL continue even today - courtesy of course of the turbo-prop Nor was it the case THEN...for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-1_Skyraider

[Topspeed]

The jet-age came like the ice-age and pretty much killed all prop developements that were being developed.

Topspeed - this just wasn't the case. Prop developments STILL continue even today - courtesy of course of the turbo-prop Nor was it the case THEN...for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-1_Skyraider

Ok,

But in large scale it did...most of slightly unorthodox designs at least.

Both of those above mentioned plane designs were ardered in 1942 and 1944 so they actually were designs before the jetage.

rgds,

Juke

[Deadlybirds]

Seems that this 209.02 from Blohm & Voss was further refined:

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds207-1.jpg

A German BV 207 with Italian RSI markings?

[Deadlybirds]

A pusher design, but Italian (Regia Aeronautica)

SAI-Ambrosini SS.4 - Aviastar
Sai-Ambrosini SS.4 - Wikipedia
SAI-Ambrosino SS.4 - Airwar
SAi-Ambrosini SS.4 - Deadlybirds

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Stefanutti flies the SAI Ambrosini SS2 powered by a 15 hp engine !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6FeC5KiHxM

[Cantankerous]

Seems that this 209.02 from Blohm & Voss was further refined:

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds207-1.jpg

The Blohm und Voss P.209 was a different aircraft from the P.207 designs, being one of several Blohm und Voss design studies for the Volksjäeger competition that was won by the Heinkel He 162 (which was derived from the company's earlier P.1073 project for jet fighter to replace the Me 262).