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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby von thoma » 29 Dec 2016 02:38

I suppose then that these exhausts and this longer air intake are typical of all H versions, from the H-4 ?? onwards,
is it not ??


Not always, in some avanced He 111 H series, with motors Jumo 211F and Jumo 213, the exits was covered with a single
tubular exhaust pipe. Giving another appearance to the motor nacelles.

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Denniss » 29 Dec 2016 13:41

The H-16 to H-23 image looks more like flame damper than standard exhausts
I've seen images label as He 111P or early He 111H showing these exhaust stacks so not really new.
The longer air intake may have been introduced to create space for an air filter. I don't know if this was filter was standard or only installed in tropical environment.

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 29 Dec 2016 20:30

von thoma wrote
Not always, in some avanced He 111 H series, with motors Jumo 211F and Jumo 213, the exits was covered with a single
tubular exhaust pipe. Giving another appearance to the motor nacelles.


Denniss wrote
The H-16 to H-23 image looks more like flame damper than standard exhausts
I've seen images label as He 111P or early He 111H showing these exhaust stacks so not really new.
The longer air intake may have been introduced to create space for an air filter. I don't know if this was filter was standard or only installed in tropical environment.


Uummhhhh..I have seen images of He 111H with the longer air intake taken in all Fronts, so I think this feature should not indicate a tropicalized version....

Do you know from which exact version of the H family would mount this longer air intake ?? :?

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Denniss » 29 Dec 2016 22:07

I didn't say they all had an air filter, just a longer pipe with space for an air filter.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... He_111.jpg
-> Shape of engine cover looks like something is left out on the air intake on purpose. In soem books H-3 and H-4 are shown with this old-style intake but also with new-style one.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... He_111.jpg
->original-style engine cover/air intake in use by He 111E. Maybe the new design just improved air flow to supercharger by increasing intake pressure

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 29 Dec 2016 22:20

Denniss wrote
I didn't say they all had an air filter, just a longer pipe with space for an air filter.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... He_111.jpg
-> Shape of engine cover looks like something is left out on the air intake on purpose. In soem books H-3 and H-4 are shown with this old-style intake but also with new-style one.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... He_111.jpg
->original-style engine cover/air intake in use by He 111E. Maybe the new design just improved air flow to supercharger by increasing intake pressure


So it is impossible to differenciate between the different models of H family, based on the different air intakes.... :roll:

Here, an small image from Ebay: I am not sure if He 111E or F

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Denniss » 30 Dec 2016 21:51

Were there Fs in Spain?
I doubt you'd see H-5 or later with early intakes. Those equipped or re-equipped with 211F engine for sure had the new intakes.

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Stanford9 » 02 Jan 2017 17:54

Happy New Year all! I don't doubt that several of you know exactly, but I can't makeup my mind about these aircraft.... are they Me110s, Do 17s or something else again? The photograph was identified simply as France 1940 and is now in my collection.
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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 02 Jan 2017 20:52

Stanford9 wrote
I don't doubt that several of you know exactly, but I can't makeup my mind about these aircraft.... are they Me110s, Do 17s or something else again? The photograph was identified simply as France 1940 and is now in my collection.


I think Dornier Do 17Z bombers

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Were there Fs in Spain?
I doubt you'd see H-5 or later with early intakes. Those equipped or re-equipped with 211F engine for sure had the new intakes.


Thank you for your answer, Denniss...
According to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_111#Variants, the change to Ju 211F engines It was carried out during the production of variant H-4, so the airplanes with the short air intake would be H-1, H-2, H-3 or early H-4, is it not ??

It is rare that the aircraft of the earlier He 111 P family would already use the long air intakes, while the later H models (H-1 to H-4) did not do so ... :?
Here an image of an He 111P from Ebay

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Stanford9 » 03 Jan 2017 00:08

Thank you Sturm 78, that seems right to me with the stub nose and what looks like a shoulder wing, I think you confirm it. Thanks very much.
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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Denniss » 03 Jan 2017 14:06

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... a_1942.jpg
-> looks like some kind of filter in the air intake duct

He 111P air intake had always been longer, I haven't seen short intakes on them.

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 03 Jan 2017 20:47

Hi all,

Can somebody identify the exact version of this He 111 ?? :?

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Denniss » 04 Jan 2017 14:51

in Air-Doc 004 the He 111 numbered 25-14 and 25-15 are identified as B-series so this 25-17 may be a B too. Clearly visible is the DB engine with air intake on left engine side. The collector exhaust seem to be of a later style (seen on several 111E), AFAIR they originally had single exhaust stubs

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 04 Jan 2017 20:18

Denniss wrote
in Air-Doc 004 the He 111 numbered 25-14 and 25-15 are identified as B-series so this 25-17 may be a B too. Clearly visible is the DB engine with air intake on left engine side. The collector exhaust seem to be of a later style (seen on several 111E), AFAIR they originally had single exhaust stubs


Thanks, again, Denniss. The exhaust confused me....

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby Sturm78 » 10 Jan 2017 21:53

Hi all,

I need help with these two images (from Ebay):

Image 1: First, I thought a Letov S-328 but now...I am not sure
Image 2: Klemm L-25 ??

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Re: Id. german aircraft

Postby von thoma » 13 Jan 2017 23:28

First picture is not a Letov S-328.
Second picture, yes seems a Klemm L 25 aircraft.
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