Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by ltcolonel » 05 May 2012 14:36

crew 5 (450 kg)
empty weight 6500 kg
16 soldiers or 1600 kg payload
500 and 1000 m height v 140 km/h fuel 290 kg/h 6 hour in air
2000 and 3000 m height v 140 km/h fuel 240 kg/h 7 hour in air
500 and 1000 m v 135 km/h fuel 260 kg/h 6 hour 30 min in air
2000 and 3000 m v 135 km/h fuel 220 kg/h 8 hour in air

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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by Dili » 05 May 2012 22:29

Thanks. An inefficient transport plane. Itcolonel what engines had this Yugoslav version?

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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by phylo_roadking » 05 May 2012 22:51

An inefficient transport plane.
Of course it was. That's why the Germans were contantly trying to develop and efficient replacement with greater carrying capacity...and a rear ramp etc., to operate alongside the Ju52.

But...

1/ As of WWII this was hardly going to be obtained and preserve STOL status :P

2/ The Ju52 was a "matured" design using a "non-strategic" engine; it was slow to build because of the corrugated panelling etc., but was otherwise simple, and could be replicated in short order, such as the French operation.

3/ There is "economy in numbers" - large numbers of Ju52s were always going to be potentially more useful than a much smaller number of larger aircraft without the STOL capacity and requiring longer, better-maintained flightlines etc....
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by Topspeed » 23 May 2012 10:52

Is there any record how many people were evaquated max. with a Ju 52 from Stalingrad ? I recall reading people were hanging still from the wings as it taxied...in one occasion.

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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 23 May 2012 12:00

There is separate thread about medevac aircraft: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=189033
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by Marcus » 01 Jun 2012 16:59

A new thread entitled "Alternatives to Ju 52" was created at the request of the participants.

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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts

Post by Urmel » 01 Jun 2012 17:15

Juha Tompuri wrote:
phylo_roadking wrote:Piotr was kind enough to forward the important elements of his post above to me by PM while the thread was closed; it's worth emphasising the following in particular -
Payload: 3510 kg (including 1800 litres of fuel)
It means that overall cargo and luggage area was planned for 1740 kg + weight of fuel and in fact "Wicher" could carry 1350 kg + weight of fuel.
This combination of comparisons too seems not to be fair and/or correct, as the weight of gasoline is not 1kg/1l, but as some sort rule of thumb 0.75kg/l
1800l fuel weight being ca. 1350kg.
phylo_roadking wrote:Looking once again at Nowarra, now that we have the precise figures for the PZL-44 Wicher I was looking for...

The cargo weight of up to 4080-4100Kg for the optimal Ju52/3mg7e does not include the weight of fuel
What was then the max fuel tankage that (the optimal) Ju52/3mg7e could carry when flying with the mentioned 4080-4100Kg cargo weight?

Regards, Juha
Urmel wrote:Worthwhile to look at this again from before this Wicher nonsense started?
ltcolonel wrote:Yugoslavian Fligt manual

Range (T. O. Weight 10480 kg, Fuel 1750 kg, Oil 180 kg, payload 1600 kg)
fuel reserve 15 min flight
cruising speed 140 km/h (on all height) true speed, zero wind
height 500 m and 1000 m range 840 km
height 2000 m and 3000 m range 960 km
crusing speed for maximum range 135 km/h (on all height) true speed, zero wind
height 500 m and 1000 m range 880 km
height 2000 m and 3000 m range 1100 km
4,000kg is the total available for:

- cargo/passengers
- crew
- fuel

The Maximum zero fuel weight would be required to understand how much payload can be traded for fuel I believe. Does anyone have that?
Juha Tompuri wrote:
Urmel wrote:4,000kg is the total available for:

- cargo/passengers
- crew
- fuel
Urmel wrote:The Maximum zero fuel weight would be required to understand how much payload can be traded for fuel I believe. Does anyone have that?
A valid question.
Snautser05 gives here (source?) figures around 600kg = ca. 800 litres fuel.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1638723
Do mentions of lower tankage exist? If so, where (source)?

Also it would be interesting to know what was the heaviest load carried by a Ju 52 in action/tests.

Regards, Juha
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