Luftwaffe down planes

[PF]

Me 109
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/488710997035404420/

Ju 87
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/316870523752686252/

Combat or accident casualties?

[Maxschnauzer]

Doesn't the horizontal stabilizer of the Stuka appear perforated presumably by enemy fire?

[durb]

Regarding the two-bladed Bf 109 it might be Bf 109 B (I could not see wing-guns, which would make it definitively C or D). The Jumo-engined Bf 109 B/C/D saw action in Spanish Civil War, and C and D were actively used by Luftwaffe in 1939 against Poland.

There is even a book focusing on Bf 109 C/D in Poland in 1939. See more details: http://www.kagero.eu/index.php?option=c ... Itemid=688

From the photo it is difficult at least for me to tell if it was an accident or a crash-landing caused by enemy action. If the plane is Bruno (B), then it most certainly is an accident as Brunos were used mainly during the pre-war years and during the war for training purposes. If it is a Cesar (C) or a Dora (D), then it might have been shot down during the Polish Campaign.

Some Doras were used also in Western Front, but there they proved to be inferior against Allied fighters - could this be a Dora shot down by the French?

Someone better informed than me can tell more about the markings and say in which unit the plane might have belonged and what could be the time when the photo was taken.

[phylo_roadking]

To be fair...

From the photo it is difficult at least for me to tell if it was an accident or a crash-landing caused by enemy action. If the plane is Bruno (B), then it most certainly is an accident as Brunos were used mainly during the pre-war years and during the war for training purposes. If it is a Cesar (C) or a Dora (D), then it might have been shot down during the Polish Campaign.

...it does look like there's an airfield behind it!

As it notes on the WW2incolor site the pic also came from, the larger fuselage (and underwing) balkenkreuz was introduced AFTER the Polish campaign....but it also looks like a B so I doubt there were any in front line service after that, though there were still some in training schools. Looks like the pilot needed some more training

(If it was an SCW pic, it would be in Condor Legion livery...)

Doesn't the horizontal stabilizer of the Stuka appear perforated presumably by enemy fire?

The caption accompanying the pic states that its a forced landing accident outside Leningrad...and if you look carefully you can see the marks the wheels have left in the grass just before they dug into the marshy ground and the plane looped onto its back. Poor buggers must have thought they'd so nearly got away with it...

[Maxschnauzer]

Hello Phylo,
I don't always take captions at face value (been fooled too many times) but that begs the original question:

Combat or accident casualties?

Was the forced landing accident prompted by combat damage to the aircraft?
Was this one, for instance?:

Source: eBay

[phylo_roadking]

The caption accompanying the pic states that its a forced landing accident outside Leningrad...

I don't always take captions at face value (been fooled too many times)

Quite right too - but when you look at the rather graphic and...cavalier?...photographing of the body in the foreground, my first assumption was that it wasn't being taken by a German...

[Maxschnauzer]

Agree. I wasn't arguing with the stated location, merely that it a "forced landing" did not necessarily mean combat was not a factor in bringing it to ground. The term could alternatively imply weather, pilot error, or mechanical failure and hence is ambiguous.

[tigre]

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Poland 1939.

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/wrzesien-1939-zdjeci ... 45450.html

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

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Total destruction.

Source: Coast Artillery Journal Aug 1942.

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

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The Bf-110 of the Schnellkampfgeschwader (SKG) 210.

Source: https://2ch.hk/vg/arch/2019-05-24/res/30090386.html

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[tigre]

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2.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 14.

Bf-109F-4/R3 schwarze 6, W. Nr. 7517, Hptm. Adolf Warmbold, Staffelkapitän of 2. (H) / Aufkl.Gr. 14. Emergency landing after being shot down by Spitfires in Souk-el-Khemis, March 2, 1943 (POW)

Source: A History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940–1945: Tunisia and the End in Africa. November 1942 - May 1943.
https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php ... &start=150

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

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Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"! - Ukraine 1942.

Source: https://reibert.info/threads/zg1-osa-ze ... 448/page-4
https://reibert.info/threads/zg1-osa-ze ... spe.72448/

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more.................

Poland 1939.

Source: https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/t ... ing.41546/

Cheers. Raúl M .