Quick question. When schräge Musik was installed in a Bf 110, was it now a 2 man crew?
i.e. Did the extra guns take over the place where the rear gunner normally sat, thus depriving him of his cockpit position?
I have checked numerous online references to this and they don't agree. Some say three crew, some say two.
Anyone know for sure?
Bf 110 and schräge Musik
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Re: Bf 110 and schräge Musik
Hi,
Quick reply see picture here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%A4ge_Musik
Looks like rear gunner still on board.
However, some versions may have deleted the rear gunner also.
Regards,
Rand
Quick reply see picture here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%A4ge_Musik
Looks like rear gunner still on board.
However, some versions may have deleted the rear gunner also.
Regards,
Rand
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Re: Bf 110 and schräge Musik
Thanks for replying. I guess if the rear gun is still there the gunner must be too. Come to think of it, someone has to change the ammo drums, assuming there are spares.
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Re: Bf 110 and schräge Musik
Actualy all 3 scenarios were possible and practiced:
• Standard practice was 2 man crew with radio/ radar operator also serving as rear gunner.
• 2 man crew with radio/ radar operator only in this role, rear gun deleted.
• 3 man crew with dedicated members to their function as radio/ radar operator and rear gunner.
On replacing spent SM ammo:
The pilot has a counter for the ammo levels. And there are at least 60 rounds (90 in the bigger drums) in a drum for the SM MG/FF. A short burst will make you spent between 3-10 rounds per gun only. A drum replacement is not that necessary, that you need a man on permanent standby. If necessary the radio/ radar operator could just do it.
• Standard practice was 2 man crew with radio/ radar operator also serving as rear gunner.
• 2 man crew with radio/ radar operator only in this role, rear gun deleted.
• 3 man crew with dedicated members to their function as radio/ radar operator and rear gunner.
On replacing spent SM ammo:
The pilot has a counter for the ammo levels. And there are at least 60 rounds (90 in the bigger drums) in a drum for the SM MG/FF. A short burst will make you spent between 3-10 rounds per gun only. A drum replacement is not that necessary, that you need a man on permanent standby. If necessary the radio/ radar operator could just do it.
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Christian M. Aguilar
Christian M. Aguilar
Re: Bf 110 and schräge Musik
but it was better to have a third pair of eyes watching your rear in case an enemy NF popped-up or to spot/identify possible targets