Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Hello,
Does anyone know exactly where was deployed this searchlight battalion in France on July 15th, 1944?
I'm guessing as part of the Flakscheinwerfer-Regiment 195 (20. Flak-Brigade, 16. Flak-Division), it was contributing among a lot of other battalions to the anti-access area denial above the Verwaltungswaffen sites in France.
Secondary question: what was the meaning of the (v) just after the number of this unit?
Thank you.
Regards,
CNE503
Does anyone know exactly where was deployed this searchlight battalion in France on July 15th, 1944?
I'm guessing as part of the Flakscheinwerfer-Regiment 195 (20. Flak-Brigade, 16. Flak-Division), it was contributing among a lot of other battalions to the anti-access area denial above the Verwaltungswaffen sites in France.
Secondary question: what was the meaning of the (v) just after the number of this unit?
Thank you.
Regards,
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
*up*
No one on this one?
It's a tough one, but even the (v) meaning is not understandable by anyone?
CNE503
No one on this one?
It's a tough one, but even the (v) meaning is not understandable by anyone?
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
(v) = verlegefähig/verlegbar (both are used online, but I have to check which is actually the correct one)
(o) = ortsfest
(PS this is not always the best place to ask about LF ground units like Flak and search light units. )
(o) = ortsfest
(PS this is not always the best place to ask about LF ground units like Flak and search light units. )
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Oops
You're right, I will transfer the message on the right forum...
My bad!
And thank you for the translation.
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Hello,
Unfortunately, this page - that I checked before posting my message - doesn't say anything concerning this battalion location in France on July 15th, 1944...
Regards,
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
It did say 7.44 in Zeebrügge though, which location Tessin also mentions in "Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945, 10. Band":
"Flakscheinwerfer-Abt. 469 (v) * 1943 ün [sic.] Luftgau VI durch Umbenennung der III. (Scheinw.)/Flak-Rgt. 4, 11.-13. Bttr. (FStO Dortmund) zu jetzt 4 Bttrn.; Einsatz in Belgien bei Zeebrügge (Flak-Rgt. 129); Whiter [sic.] 1944/45 umbenannt und umgegliedert in leichte Flak-Abt. 939, 1.-4. Bttr."
Markus
"Flakscheinwerfer-Abt. 469 (v) * 1943 ün [sic.] Luftgau VI durch Umbenennung der III. (Scheinw.)/Flak-Rgt. 4, 11.-13. Bttr. (FStO Dortmund) zu jetzt 4 Bttrn.; Einsatz in Belgien bei Zeebrügge (Flak-Rgt. 129); Whiter [sic.] 1944/45 umbenannt und umgegliedert in leichte Flak-Abt. 939, 1.-4. Bttr."
Markus
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Well, I'm not buying it, because after being spotted in Zeebrügge (Belgium) in 1943, the battalion served several months under Flak-Regiment 431 (February to June 1944), which was the core of AAA of the city of Lille (northern France) - as Flakgruppe Lille. Then, in July 1944 (until October), it is said that the battalion was under Flak-Regiment 195 which was deployed in France - not Belgium - as Flakscheinwerfer-Regiment zbV.
So, unless another evidences of its presence near Brügge in July 1944, it could have been a mistake. Tessin is not really precise, he just says that the battalion went into action in Belgium in area Zeebrügge (but not when and how many did it stay there).
CNE503
So, unless another evidences of its presence near Brügge in July 1944, it could have been a mistake. Tessin is not really precise, he just says that the battalion went into action in Belgium in area Zeebrügge (but not when and how many did it stay there).
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Dunno if relevant but Bundesarchiv appears to hold a 1944 folder in two volumes: "Anlagen zur Kampfanweisung der Flak-Scheinwerfer-Gruppe Somme (Serie)" which includes the unit: https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/CLNI ... IFSH6D2CUN
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Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
From viewtopic.php?f=49&t=238475#p2169238
Markus15 Jul 44: now at Aun-le-Chateau under Flakscheinwerfer-Rgt. 195/20. Flakbrigade. (T-971 roll 18 frame 052)
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Damn... There is no town in France called Aun-le-château...
Auneuil, Auneau, Ainay, Aulnay, but definitely not Aun. Maybe Audun, near Luxembourg (either Audun-le-Tiche or Audun-le-Roman)?
CNE503
Auneuil, Auneau, Ainay, Aulnay, but definitely not Aun. Maybe Audun, near Luxembourg (either Audun-le-Tiche or Audun-le-Roman)?
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Since the 20. Flak-Brigade HQ was in command of Flak units in the Doullens-Arras-Amiens-Abbeville area and Auxi-le-Château is in that area then maybe Aun should be Auxi?
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Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944
Sure, it is a perfect match actually! Nice one!
It should be there, indeed.
Thank you for this!
Regards,
CNE503
It should be there, indeed.
Thank you for this!
Regards,
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"