Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944

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Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944

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Post by CNE503 » 26 Aug 2020, 22:05

Hello,

Does anyone know exactly where was deployed this searchlight battalion in France on July 15th, 1944?
I'm guessing as part of the Flakscheinwerfer-Regiment 195 (20. Flak-Brigade, 16. Flak-Division), it was contributing among a lot of other battalions to the anti-access area denial above the Verwaltungswaffen sites in France.

Secondary question: what was the meaning of the (v) just after the number of this unit?

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Post by CNE503 » 27 Aug 2020, 22:12

*up*

No one on this one?
It's a tough one, but even the (v) meaning is not understandable by anyone?

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Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944

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Post by jpz4 » 28 Aug 2020, 00:50

(v) = verlegefähig/verlegbar (both are used online, but I have to check which is actually the correct one)
(o) = ortsfest

(PS this is not always the best place to ask about LF ground units like Flak and search light units. :wink: )

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Post by CNE503 » 28 Aug 2020, 13:00

jpz4 wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 00:50
(v) = verlegefähig/verlegbar (both are used online, but I have to check which is actually the correct one)
(o) = ortsfest

(PS this is not always the best place to ask about LF ground units like Flak and search light units. :wink: )
Oops :oops:
You're right, I will transfer the message on the right forum...
My bad!
And thank you for the translation.

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Post by CNE503 » 28 Aug 2020, 13:01

Hello,

Unfortunately, this page - that I checked before posting my message - doesn't say anything concerning this battalion location in France on July 15th, 1944...

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Re: Flakscheinwerfer-Abteilung 469(v), France 1944

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Post by peeved » 28 Aug 2020, 13:24

It did say 7.44 in Zeebrügge though, which location Tessin also mentions in "Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945, 10. Band":

"Flakscheinwerfer-Abt. 469 (v) * 1943 ün [sic.] Luftgau VI durch Umbenennung der III. (Scheinw.)/Flak-Rgt. 4, 11.-13. Bttr. (FStO Dortmund) zu jetzt 4 Bttrn.; Einsatz in Belgien bei Zeebrügge (Flak-Rgt. 129); Whiter [sic.] 1944/45 umbenannt und umgegliedert in leichte Flak-Abt. 939, 1.-4. Bttr."

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Post by CNE503 » 28 Aug 2020, 13:40

Well, I'm not buying it, because after being spotted in Zeebrügge (Belgium) in 1943, the battalion served several months under Flak-Regiment 431 (February to June 1944), which was the core of AAA of the city of Lille (northern France) - as Flakgruppe Lille. Then, in July 1944 (until October), it is said that the battalion was under Flak-Regiment 195 which was deployed in France - not Belgium - as Flakscheinwerfer-Regiment zbV.

So, unless another evidences of its presence near Brügge in July 1944, it could have been a mistake. Tessin is not really precise, he just says that the battalion went into action in Belgium in area Zeebrügge (but not when and how many did it stay there).

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Post by peeved » 28 Aug 2020, 13:54

Dunno if relevant but Bundesarchiv appears to hold a 1944 folder in two volumes: "Anlagen zur Kampfanweisung der Flak-Scheinwerfer-Gruppe Somme (Serie)" which includes the unit: https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/CLNI ... IFSH6D2CUN

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Post by peeved » 28 Aug 2020, 16:50

From viewtopic.php?f=49&t=238475#p2169238
15 Jul 44: now at Aun-le-Chateau under Flakscheinwerfer-Rgt. 195/20. Flakbrigade. (T-971 roll 18 frame 052)
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Post by CNE503 » 28 Aug 2020, 17:42

Damn... There is no town in France called Aun-le-château...
Auneuil, Auneau, Ainay, Aulnay, but definitely not Aun. Maybe Audun, near Luxembourg (either Audun-le-Tiche or Audun-le-Roman)?
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Post by peeved » 28 Aug 2020, 17:54

Since the 20. Flak-Brigade HQ was in command of Flak units in the Doullens-Arras-Amiens-Abbeville area and Auxi-le-Château is in that area then maybe Aun should be Auxi?

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Post by CNE503 » 28 Aug 2020, 18:45

Sure, it is a perfect match actually! Nice one!
It should be there, indeed.
Thank you for this!

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