Probably this topic was already discussed... but, my question is: which was the "rival" of the Me262, from the production point of view?
I know there were 2 main projects for jets, during WW2. The Me262 and, I belive, Heinkel had a project... am I right? The Me262 project was chosen for further development.
Maybe some of you know a related web site, so I can see the Heinkel in question... there are people who say that this "2nd project" was better than the Me262.
German Jet Planes in WW2
The Heinkel aircraft was the He 280. There are a number of sites relating to this aircraft.
eg
http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he280.htm
gives a brief history and technical details, access to 3 plan views and suggestions of a "what if" scenario with operational He 280 s
another example:
http://members.tripod.com/Air_Museum_ww2/id45.htm
eg
http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he280.htm
gives a brief history and technical details, access to 3 plan views and suggestions of a "what if" scenario with operational He 280 s
another example:
http://members.tripod.com/Air_Museum_ww2/id45.htm
No chum,more likely this aircraft
Popularly known as the "Peoples Fighter" (Volksjager) the He 162 was, for its time, an incredibly advanced fighter. Just looking at it today we still tend to think of it as a super moden machine. Its beginning was in 1944, when Nazi Germany ordered a high performance fighter capable of being built by only partially skilled workers. It was to use as little strategic materiel as possible, and be ready for mass production by January 1945. The Heinkel companys response was the He 162 Spatz (Sparrow), and was inspected as a mock up in Sept. 1944. Immediately it was deemed an excellent project and orders for 1000 of them a month were placed. In a mere 69 days a prototype was ready for flight and was first flown on Dec. 6 1944. Four days later, the aircraft was demonstrated to top Nazi officials and during a low level high speed pass the aircraft broke apart and was totally destroyed in the ensuing explosions. This delay set the development back quite a bit, but it continued at top speed. There were no advanced pilots in which to use to fly the He 162, and so Hitler Youth were hastily trained in gliders, then strapped into the jet fighter and were expected to perform as experts would. Accident rates were frightfully high.
Three major factories located underground in old salt mines were capable of putting out about 5000 He 162s a month when mass production began in early 1945. The training of the Hitler Youth and other assorted folk that were to fly the He 162 continued at highly condensed speeds, the new pilots being taught by those who themselves had been taught just days before. In March of 1945, the first operational He 162s were sent to JG 84. They never saw any action against Allied air forces for the lack of jet fuel. As the Reich collapsed and the factories were captured, thousands of He 162s in various stages of construction were found, although only 116 of them were ever completed. If the Reich had lasted just 4 more months, about 6000 He 162s would probably have been completed. The only problem was that there was no pilots to fly them, to petrol to fuel them, and no ammunition to put into the guns.
Specifications for the Heinkel He 162A
Type: Single Seat Jet Interceptor
Engine: One 1,760lbs/thrust BMW oo3-A1 axail flow turbojet
Armament: Two 30-mm Mk 108 cannon with 50 shells per gun
Performance: Max Speed 522mph; 4,260feet/minute climb rate; 57 minutes endurance
Popularly known as the "Peoples Fighter" (Volksjager) the He 162 was, for its time, an incredibly advanced fighter. Just looking at it today we still tend to think of it as a super moden machine. Its beginning was in 1944, when Nazi Germany ordered a high performance fighter capable of being built by only partially skilled workers. It was to use as little strategic materiel as possible, and be ready for mass production by January 1945. The Heinkel companys response was the He 162 Spatz (Sparrow), and was inspected as a mock up in Sept. 1944. Immediately it was deemed an excellent project and orders for 1000 of them a month were placed. In a mere 69 days a prototype was ready for flight and was first flown on Dec. 6 1944. Four days later, the aircraft was demonstrated to top Nazi officials and during a low level high speed pass the aircraft broke apart and was totally destroyed in the ensuing explosions. This delay set the development back quite a bit, but it continued at top speed. There were no advanced pilots in which to use to fly the He 162, and so Hitler Youth were hastily trained in gliders, then strapped into the jet fighter and were expected to perform as experts would. Accident rates were frightfully high.
Three major factories located underground in old salt mines were capable of putting out about 5000 He 162s a month when mass production began in early 1945. The training of the Hitler Youth and other assorted folk that were to fly the He 162 continued at highly condensed speeds, the new pilots being taught by those who themselves had been taught just days before. In March of 1945, the first operational He 162s were sent to JG 84. They never saw any action against Allied air forces for the lack of jet fuel. As the Reich collapsed and the factories were captured, thousands of He 162s in various stages of construction were found, although only 116 of them were ever completed. If the Reich had lasted just 4 more months, about 6000 He 162s would probably have been completed. The only problem was that there was no pilots to fly them, to petrol to fuel them, and no ammunition to put into the guns.
Specifications for the Heinkel He 162A
Type: Single Seat Jet Interceptor
Engine: One 1,760lbs/thrust BMW oo3-A1 axail flow turbojet
Armament: Two 30-mm Mk 108 cannon with 50 shells per gun
Performance: Max Speed 522mph; 4,260feet/minute climb rate; 57 minutes endurance
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@Englander,
sorry but daveh is correct. The production opponent of the Me 262 was the He 280. Both a/c are dated from 1941/42. The He 162-project is dated of late 1944, when the Me 262 was already well in production. Also the reason for development and production of the Me 262, He 280 are different from the He 162.
@Daphix,
what are interessted in? The He280 specifically, german jets of WW2? I ask because to show related sites, depends on what you are looking for.
Regards
sorry but daveh is correct. The production opponent of the Me 262 was the He 280. Both a/c are dated from 1941/42. The He 162-project is dated of late 1944, when the Me 262 was already well in production. Also the reason for development and production of the Me 262, He 280 are different from the He 162.
@Daphix,
what are interessted in? The He280 specifically, german jets of WW2? I ask because to show related sites, depends on what you are looking for.
Regards
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Well, I would like to see a complete site, I mean with informations and pictures about german fighters/bombers/recon planes in ww2. I don't have the time to surf the net, looking for such a site. I found some sites though, but are quite "slim"... Maybe you know a good site...@Daphix,
what are interessted in? The He280 specifically, german jets of WW2? I ask because to show related sites, depends on what you are looking for.
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@Daphix,
for general questions or as a start I wold suggest:
LEMB: http://pub157.ezboard.com/bluftwaffeexperten71774
There they can offer further help and related links.
Regards
for general questions or as a start I wold suggest:
LEMB: http://pub157.ezboard.com/bluftwaffeexperten71774
There they can offer further help and related links.
Regards
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Re: German Jet Planes in WW2
No one should forget the Junkers Ju 287 FSW jet bomber, which was basically a Ju 188/288/388-type plane with six BMW 003 turbojets in two underwing triple packs, and of which two prototypes were constructed by being cobbled together from other aircraft (He 177, Ju 188G, Ju 352, shot-down B-24s).* Heinkel had a jet bomber design of its own, the He 343, which had four underwing jet engines, and whose design mostly influenced the Ilyushin Il-22 prototype jet bomber on 1947.
*Ju 287 V1 and V2 were merely technology demonstrators for the Ju 287 design given that FSW tech was new and untried, while the other four prototypes (V3, V4, V5, and V6) reflected the design of the production version (V3 and V4 were unarmed, while V5 and V6 were fitted with tail armament).
*Ju 287 V1 and V2 were merely technology demonstrators for the Ju 287 design given that FSW tech was new and untried, while the other four prototypes (V3, V4, V5, and V6) reflected the design of the production version (V3 and V4 were unarmed, while V5 and V6 were fitted with tail armament).
Re: German Jet Planes in WW2
The Horten IX, also Gotha Go 229, had gone into production. This jet propelled flying wing had no vertical control surfaces, making it less visible on radar. At least four were captured by the Americans and photos exist of two that were tested in the US.
The Arado Ar 234 was an effective bomber.
https://www.christian-schmidt.com/produ ... nbl8usjs62
The Arado Ar 234 was an effective bomber.
https://www.christian-schmidt.com/produ ... nbl8usjs62
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Re: German Jet Planes in WW2
Hello everyone. So as I can see Germans had several jet planes in WW2 and most of them were pretty good. Thanks for the information, it was interesting to read.