Nazi Jet-Planes?

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Post by Erich » 11 Nov 2003 17:14

more late war crap / just like the Me 163 rocket killer. Eliminated more Luftwaffe pilots than it scored kills. What is it some 2-3 kills for the Heinkel mess while serving in JG 1 ?

The only a/c worth talking about is the Me 262A-1a really

~E look for the OOP title JV 44 from Classic Pubs to give a little different view on flying the Me 262 compared to Manfred Boehme's effort.

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Post by Locke » 11 Nov 2003 20:54

Yes, it wasn't really succesful, but also most of the He 162 pilots came from Hitlerjugend.

And only Me 262 and Arado 234 were somehow normal jets...(Later versions of the Arado with undercarriage)

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Post by Director » 22 Jun 2004 15:46

Locke wrote:
Me 262 also used R4M rockets to attack bombers. That was another advantage
Was the Me 262 the only German fighter to use rockets? Because in the film 'von Ryan's express', the Me108's fire rockets at the escaping allies, is this fiction? I haven't read anything on the 108's having rockets, they were pretty much recon planes no?
But that being said, I read in another thread, that the 108's in the film were meant to be 109's. Did the 109 fire rockets?

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Post by Topspeed » 22 Jun 2004 16:30

Yeeesch,

The German Luftwaffe had somekinda heavy mortar rocket in the Messerschmitt 1 0 9 under the wings on a rack. One under each wing.

These were used somehow in the bomberaeroplane formations interception.

I'd say from G-6 models onwards up to K-4 somekinda rutzsätze or something they were called.

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Post by ChrisMAg2 » 22 Jun 2004 17:21

The Me 110 had two of the 21 cm WGr under each wing.
Other rocket types were among more:
•X-4
•X-7
•RZ-65
•Panzerblitz
•RB-100
None were used widely though.

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Post by gabriel pagliarani » 22 Jun 2004 18:05

Director wrote:Locke wrote:
Me 262 also used R4M rockets to attack bombers. That was another advantage
Was the Me 262 the only German fighter to use rockets? Because in the film 'von Ryan's express', the Me108's fire rockets at the escaping allies, is this fiction? I haven't read anything on the 108's having rockets, they were pretty much recon planes no?
But that being said, I read in another thread, that the 108's in the film were meant to be 109's. Did the 109 fire rockets?
RL4M were the only weapon for Bachem Natter interceptor too. Stocked in the dome ("nose") Any report about? Did someone really test the incredible Natter in a real combat? I know the first unit was displaced near the strategically relevant chemical plants of Leuna producing synthetic fuels...no more than this.

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Post by Locke » 22 Jun 2004 22:58

Bachem Natter was another crazy late in the war idea. The sources I found claim that it wasn't used in combat. Although the test pilot Oberstleutnant Siebert was killed during the first flight, there were another attempts, which were more or less successful.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c ... 20Ba%20349

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Post by Director » 23 Jun 2004 04:43

Topspeed wrote:
Yeeesch,


Too cool for me bro! :wink:

Thanks everybody.

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Post by juhae » 23 Jun 2004 07:29

Topspeed wrote:I'd say from G-6 models onwards up to K-4 somekinda rutzsätze or something they were called.
The R-2 kit for Me-109G-6 featured two tube launched 21cm WGr rockets, other modifications mostly dealt with adding armament (in form of cannon gondolas) or changes to the engine. ... Where K-4's modifications didn't include rockets at all, mostly because the role of Me-109 had changed from bomber interception to fighter escort interception and/or due shortages in supply.

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Post by ohrdruf » 23 Jun 2004 19:48

Locke

Regarding P-13, Polish researcher Igor Witkowski has recently supplied some very interesting new documentary evidence from US and Polish archives regarding this development which I will post tomorrow this site.

Ohrdruf

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Post by Topspeed » 23 Jun 2004 19:55

Director wrote:Topspeed wrote:
Yeeesch,


Too cool for me bro! :wink:

Thanks everybody.
Sorry about that, been watching Austin Powers too many times.

German rocketjet He-176 flew 20th June 1939, the world's first jet He 178 flew 27th of August 1939. Erich Warsitz was piloting that small jet.
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Post by ohrdruf » 23 Jun 2004 23:40

Respecting the P-13 jet aircraft attention is drawn to Locke's posting of 7 November last which does not altogether correspond with primary documents.

Professor Lippisch' design was a mainly light plywood (18-mm), twin-keeled trapezoid-shaped flying wing laminated with "Dynal" plastic and equipped with tricycle landing gear. The ramjet propulsion was capable of 2500 km/hr. Solid propellant rockets were used to build up to optimum speed. The ramjet would maintain thrust for up to 45 minutes. In the final months of the war, effectiveness was doubled by injection of a liquid fuel over white-heated coal. Fuel was 800 kilos coal briquettes, 8000 cal/g, desulphurized. Fuel was preheated to 950 deg. prior to take-off. The US Archive has released no information about the development later than January 1945 when the prototype was expected to fly. The report mentions many Luftwaffe volunteers.

Sources:
"Survey of German Ramjet Developments" CIOS Final Report,m Item 6, File XXX-81.
NARA/US Strategic Air Forces in Europe - Air Intelligence Summary No 74 (8.IV.1945)

The official Polish report into the P-13 states that at take-off, the P-13 used ATO rockets to propel it along an oblique launcher. At ignition speed, air from the intakes was compressed and passed into the furnace chamber containing the heated coal blocks. Thrust depended only on temperature in the combustion chamber and aircraft speed. The jet left nozzles along the wing trailing edges. The aircraft passed COMPREHENSIVE TRIALS during the last few months before the capitulation. In the original version coal only was used for creation of thrust (45 minutes endurance), but later an injection of liquid paraffin doubled this to 90 minutes.


Source:
W. Kozakiewicz et al: "Bron Rakietowa", Glowny Instytut Mechaniki, 1000 pages, publ 1951.


Although I cannot vouch for the translation the Polish report suggests that the P-13 flew extensively during the last few months of the war. The Germans operated flying machines of unknown type from Hardanger Plateau and Gaustad Mountain in Norway from January 1945 onwards. At Gaustad peak, 5000 feet up, there was a concrete hangar, a launching hall and a kind of ski ramp. Security was extremely tight for miles around. Experts were unable to suggest a reason why the Germans would want to fly aircraft from such a high location. Three of four times a week between January and March 1945, the Swedish AF reported unknown flying machines believed to be operating from remote bases in Norway crossing their air space, and information was gathered preparatory to making a diplomatic protest to Berlin. The aircraft in question were not visible and were detected only by their condensation trails and a loud roar "similar to a four-engined bomber". They were "faster than the fastest known fighter". The P-13 could well fit the description here.

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Post by Locke » 24 Jun 2004 10:53

Thank you for new information, Ohrdruf.
I do not know enough about this issue to decide what is truth and what isn't, but I am always glad to find some new info.

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Re: Nazi Jet-Planes?

Post by Cantankerous » 12 Mar 2021 17:56

The Blohm und Voss P.188 and Junkers Ju 287 were the most bizarre German jet bomber designs of 1943-1944. While the forward-swept wing Ju 287 has been documented in WW2 German aviation literature (e.g. Lommel 2004, Ransom et al. 2008), the P.188 was more bizarre in that it had a W-shaped wing. Four P.188 variants were devised, slightly differing in their engine locations, armament, cabin and tail layout. However, the RLM rejected the P.188 in favor of the Ju 287 due to aerodynamic risks with the W-shaped wing planform (although Richard Vogt considered the W-wing design the best way to solve aeroelasticity problems with the swept wing). Info about the P.188 is available these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_P_188
http://www.luft46.com/bv/bvp188-1.html
http://www.luft46.com/bv/bvp188-4.html

For its part, Arado proposed an enlarged version of the Ar 234 for the 1943 Strahlbomber contest, the E.395. This design too was rejected in favor of the Ju 287.

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Post by Topspeed » 12 Mar 2021 18:16

WikingSoldat wrote:
07 Nov 2003 16:08
They had many jet and rocket aircrafts, He Wolksjæger, Me 262, Me Comet and several more that where flying and fighting against the Allies.
One of them, Horten Flying Wing (Amerika Bomber) where to take an atomic bomb and drop it over USA. Orders where given early 1945

Hundreds of projects where on the German drawing boards when war ended.

Here are some sites:
http://www.luft46.com/
http://usuarios.lycos.es/pedritus/catalog_3.html


WikingSoldat

Images belongs to luft46.com

Never heard of German A-bomb..was there any evidence ?

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