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Post by rcristi2271 » 09 May 2004 03:04

Does anybody know how many He 177 were ever built?

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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 09 May 2004 09:02

[DELETED BY MYSELF. WRONG INFO. SORRY!!!!!]
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Post by MadderCat » 09 May 2004 10:09

hi
if You mean the Heinkel He177 Greif (Griffon in english)
there build more than 2 aircraft

He177V1 flew 19 November 1939
Arado built 130 He177A1
Heinkel Factory built 170 He177A3
826 He177A5 were built by both companies (or maybe more companies)


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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 09 May 2004 10:28

I wrote:
He 177 V1, which flew Aug, 16, 1944

He 177 V2, which didn't flew and was captured by the Russians and was flown by them in 1947

That's all, I think
Sorry! I confused the He 177 with the Ju 287!!!!!!!!
Maddercat wrote:
He177V1 flew 19 November 1939
Arado built 130 He177A1
Heinkel Factory built 170 He177A3
826 He177A5 were built by both companies (or maybe more companies)
plus 35 He 177A-0 by Arado.

Again, sorry for my mistake. I'm really sorry. :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Post by MadderCat » 09 May 2004 10:43

no problem
thanks for adding more infos


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Post by rcristi2271 » 09 May 2004 14:39

Wow! I wasn't expecting these high figures - over 1000 He 177. That was quite a waste of resources for almost a failure. I know that the Luftwaffe desperately needed a heavy bomber, but...

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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 09 May 2004 17:27

It's a pity that the He 177 succesor, the He 277, wasn't used with the Luftwaffe. I think it was better then the failure of his predecessor.

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Post by rcristi2271 » 09 May 2004 19:12

Kurt_Steiner wrote:It's a pity that the He 177 succesor, the He 277, wasn't used with the Luftwaffe. I think it was better then the failure of his predecessor.

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Yeah you're right. He 277 and his brother He 274 were (finally I can say) the long dreamed Luftwaffe heavy bombers but as we know they comed to the scene too late. It's quite strange when you think that the Luftwaffe had a would be capable weapon in 1940 - 1941. I wonder why they didn't try to add 2 more engines to the He 177 airframe making it a quadrimotor in the british fashion? or at least uncouple the engines and use counterrotative propellers?

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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 09 May 2004 19:22

rcristi2271 wrote
I wonder why they didn't try to add 2 more engines to the He 177 airframe making it a quadrimotor in the british fashion? or at least uncouple the engines and use counterrotative propellers?
I fully agree with you, my friend. But you know how the Germans are. Always trying to do the impossible... :P

By the way, I cannot explain why, but the He 274 doesn't convince me as a strategic bomber. Silly, isn't it?

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Post by rcristi2271 » 09 May 2004 20:44

By the way, I cannot explain why, but the He 274 doesn't convince me as a strategic bomber. Silly, isn't it?

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Why not my friend, He 274 and He 277 were actually the same aircraft, the major difference that I see is that the He 274 was developed in occupied France. They shared even the engines: DB 603, although He 277 was to be equiped with Jumo 213.

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Post by Ltlcon » 05 Jun 2004 04:39

Sirs,


The reason I have most often read for the coupled engines was to reduce drag during a dive. As usual, the Luftwaffe's tech department insisted that the bomber should be able to dive! Of course, sending such a large aircraft into a dive must have felt like you were fliying a falling brick!



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Post by Cantankerous » 23 Feb 2021 02:54

rcristi2271 wrote:
09 May 2004 20:44
By the way, I cannot explain why, but the He 274 doesn't convince me as a strategic bomber. Silly, isn't it?

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Why not my friend, He 274 and He 277 were actually the same aircraft, the major difference that I see is that the He 274 was developed in occupied France. They shared even the engines: DB 603, although He 277 was to be equiped with Jumo 213.

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The He 274 had a bigger wingspan than the He 277 (145 feet for He 274 vs. 131 feet for He 277), and it was only intended for high-altitude, something the He 277 was not intended for. (The He 277 was confused with the He 177B four-engine variant of the He 177 in some postwar books on German WW2 aircraft and He 177B was stated to have been a cover designation for He 277, which we now know is false judging from RLM correspondences and Heinkel company documents, but that's another story.) Sharp (2016) notes that in 1939 Heinkel proposed a four-engine version of the He 177 as the He 179, which ended up not leaving the design phase.

Griehl, Manfred and Dressel, Joachim. Heinkel He 177-277-274, Airlife Publishing, Shrewsbury, England 1998. ISBN 1-85310-364-0. (Primary reference for article)

Dan Sharp, 2016. Luftwaffe: Secret Bombers of the Third Reich. Mortons.

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