Foo-Fighters Were German: The Evidence

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Post by ohrdruf » 25 May 2004 14:09

Dear Gespenst


You have to be reasonable about this. Here we have an entirely new concept in the first stages of experimentation. I am merely presenting the available evidence and making a case from it. To answer your question would require us both to enter a long discussion on electrogravitics and UFO reports in general, since foo-fighters are analogous to, and to most people remain identified as, UFOs. Even then, the physics of thing would remain a mystery.

This heat factor was involved in a claim for damages against the US Government a couple of decades ago when a lady claimed that radiation and heat exuded by a luminous globe-shaped UFO which approached her car had given her breast cancer. The case was dismissed upon the assurance of the US Government that it did not operate such a craft.

Examining closely the papers relating to the USN Enquiry into the disappearance of five Avenger aircraft on a training flight from Fort Lauderdale in December 1945, you will see that this "greatest aviation mystery of all time" is really no mystery at all if you work on the theory of the existence of more than a single Magnetic Field, and that it is possible to penetrate into it accidentally, particularly in the area of the Bahamas, as these five aircraft appeared to have done. This might give you some pointers about Magnetic Field II.

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Post by ohrdruf » 25 May 2004 14:19

Dear Tony Williams

Instead of apologizing for disagreeing with me, come through to my private E-mail address and I will discuss this subject with you on a purely friendly basis. It is far, far wider than you can imagine. Even if you accept none of it, it will be in your mind, and one day, who knows?, you may see a document which hits a chord. And I have no axe to grind, I assure you.

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Post by MAX_theHitMan » 25 May 2004 14:44

I am sorry Ohrdruf, but this conversation is now leading us into another different territory. The Unindentified Flying Objects territory. Or commonly known as the UFOs and extreme "exotic" propulsion system. I have been following closely these cases for quite sometime now, but unfortunatly I haven´t found much "proof" as to their drive systems. AND don´t anyone go thinking they are driven by litle green men from planet X either :P . These are man-made vehicles being tested right here on this planet. But like any military aircraft on the planet, these are being kept very secretive as to their powers.

I will not go any further in commenting my personal views as this is an Historical World WarII Forum and it likes to deal with the "facts".

The Foo-fighter phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon is a totally different area of research in which there is alot of speculation and misinformation. There are people who will tell you the truth of what is out there, but there is also other people who do not want you to really know, or find out, what is really flying around out there.

In my honest opinion, I do believe that the III Reich scientists were working on some of these new propulsion system, BUT they were in no way as far ahead as everyone might believe, because the tecnology at the time wasn´t permiting to such systems to be properly working. Let alone the guys making exotic flying saucer craft and "foo-fighters" to combat the allied strategic bombing campaign bombers. BUT they did have some very good designs and propulsion units working by the time the war ended. They were quite "exotic" for those early years of aviation and the new upcoming "Jet-age". They were very much ahead of their time.

Military Top-secret researh is a very tricky (sometimes dangerous) thing to investigate. There are many other forums we can go to and discuss this matter further with other people interested in the subject. I could join you there and we could continue with this research if you would like.
But remenber to make yourself a good search on the subject, because you will given some information which you must be aware of before going any further on the matter.

I myself have not joined up on any of these other forums, but I have read what they say and what they have researced so far.

I will give you some links and then we could continue in another place, alright? You choose the place.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/ (Propellantless propulsion researches //Plasma, Ball Lightning, OAUGDP experiments )
http://www.geocities.com/anti_gravity/free_energy.html
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/5500/
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/antigrav.html
http://www.padrak.com/agn/
http://www.antigravityengines.com/
http://www.geocities.com/mad191/en/expseg.html
http://www.geocities.com/mad191/en/antigravity.html
http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/patents.html
http://www.antigravity.it/
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics ... gation.htm
http://www.blackvault.com/militaryaircr ... wbird.html
http://www.bvalphaserver.com/forums.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/

Sorry to place these links like this but I hope these will help "a liitle bit" in your future researches. By the way ---> DO NOT take everything to heart that these sites offer you.
Read them BUT make your own final conclusions and research more on the subjects.
:wink:
Like that other guy from a TV show used to say, "...the truth is out there" 8O :D

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Post by Gespenst » 25 May 2004 15:30

A single link with .edu at the end would be much more comfortable than all of those combined. :(

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Post by ohrdruf » 25 May 2004 19:58

I think we have come as far as we may with this subject. Regrettably the only reply which has given me food for thought in the thread is Tony Williams´ mention of historical method. He says that because no German (or Axis) scientist ever admitted to knowledge about "foo-fighters", and information about them has remained secret to this day, which is impossible, ergo they never existed.

Historians are usually qualifed in history, but are not necessarily qualified in the sciences. Thus, Tony Williams may read German scientific papers on say, atomic physics, and miss a crucial point simply because he is not an atomic physicist. This is not a criticism, simply a fact.

Pat Flannen is a US atomic physicist, and in a briliant Internet article recently explained how the "German atom bomb" worked. An image of this "atom bomb" was exhibited by Max The Hit Man in another forum. A cut-through sketch of it appeared in books authored by Dr Samuel Goudsmit, ALSOS Mission, and General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project. Flannen is not an historian and unfortunately he does not appear interested in producing a book. If he did, it would carry more weight than the opinions of any contributors to this forum simply because of his qualifications and expertise.

Dr Flannen happened to say that if anybody was interested in looking at Professor Heisenberg´s work in the appropriate period, he would almost certainly find that the experiments were slanted in a particular way if his theory was correct and that this design by Heisenberg was intended as an explosive.

Knowing what I was looking for, I went through all Heisenberg´s papers and believe that Dr Flannen is correct. Standard history does not admit to foo-fighters, and neither does it admit to a German nuclear device "kleinen Formats". And we can see that if such a thing existed, it would not be popular with the victorious Governments who would have a motive for concealing its existence.

So far as I am aware, no German scientist ever claimed the existence of a nuclear device. This subject is on a lower level than foo-fighters, however, because the science is proven, and so we shall no longer have to argue about whether such a thing was possible. We know now that this device would have worked, our only area for discussion is whether it was a definite project.

My motive for posting the subject is to show that evidence for "secret weapons projects" exists, but is set down in such a manner that uncovering it requires more than just reading literature on the subject.

I am posting the material tomorrow under the title "The German Nuclear Device - The Evidence"

Ohrdruf

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Post by Hoolaman » 27 May 2004 14:08

A true UFO cannnot be called a spaceship or a German wonder-weapon, but by definition, we don't know what they are.

I think we can all agree that some strange unknown phenomena that we call UFO's are real. They have been seen by hundreds of witnesses, mostly sane reputable pilots including military pilots, all across the globe, and even pick up on radar.

I believe that nobody knows what they are, probably not even governments, and they are so fleeting and infrequent we may never know.

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Post by gabriel pagliarani » 28 May 2004 17:09

Foo? Kung Fu? C' u fù? I am vomiting...aaaargh! What is your drug? Can I taste it too?

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Post by Ottens » 14 Jun 2004 15:57

CONCLUSION
If anybody has followed me this far, I will provide him next with evidence for Part (ii) of MY CREDO.
Well, I'd like to hear it.

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Post by gabriel pagliarani » 14 Jun 2004 21:22

Ottens wrote:
CONCLUSION
If anybody has followed me this far, I will provide him next with evidence for Part (ii) of MY CREDO.
Well, I'd like to hear it.
A CONFITEOR, not a CREDO. Much more appropriate. :lol:

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Post by Topspeed » 24 Jun 2004 09:36

Hoolaman wrote:A true UFO cannnot be called a spaceship or a German wonder-weapon, but by definition, we don't know what they are.

I think we can all agree that some strange unknown phenomena that we call UFO's are real. They have been seen by hundreds of witnesses, mostly sane reputable pilots including military pilots, all across the globe, and even pick up on radar.

I believe that nobody knows what they are, probably not even governments, and they are so fleeting and infrequent we may never know.
I say it is B/S.

Best Regards,

Jukka T / Oulu / Finland

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Post by Emil K. » 22 Apr 2005 07:10

Many (very doubtful) websites try to link the ahnenerbe society with German ufo research. Without jumping to the conclusion that they actually developed a flying saucer, what are the facts behind ahnenerbe and their interest in such matters? I fail to see the connection between their research into the occult (Otto Rahn, the Grail) and Foo Fighters / UFO's. Anybody?

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Post by Keltixx » 22 Apr 2005 19:30

The more this type of thing I read, the more I think P.T. Barnum was an optimist...mankind is more credulous than even he imagined.

I would love, truly love for someone to produce proof of extraordinary claims for a propulsion system. Would love to see anti-gravity so we can cruise the solar system. Would love to see the monkey of oil off the back of my world. Desperately want cheap power and transmutation of dross to protein so the hungry can be fed.

But no one every does give me the proof. I read all of this series of posts carefully, looked at all the sites. Nothing, repeat nothing convinces me of any of the claims made by the original poster.

Looking at things, and reading the UFO sites, and watching the "docu-dramas" about UFOs just makes me think that aliens and "wonder science" have replaced angels as something people believe to avoid facing an ofter hard cold world. No, for those of you who ask, I dont believe in any personal god, either...with the exception of my wife. :)

I try to be neither insulting nor flippant at the beliefs of most, but an open mind does not mean letting in dust and bugs.

Ciao all - Jeffrey
(oh, time for my medicine now? yes, nurse, I am being quiet...no, don't need the jacket...yes, I'm coming quietly...)

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Post by MAX_theHitMan » 24 Apr 2005 13:26

Hello Keltixx

Ya made a good point when you said ...
someone to produce proof of extraordinary claims for a propulsion system
Well, there IS something called anti-gravity. Unfortunately the Armed forces (USA, British, Russia) are not about to tell the world they have these incredible machines flying around. So they just spread around the myth it´s all "aliens" :P
They cost alot of money and they are not about to let everyone how it works. But some people have gone as far as recreating the these same effects in their homes, with some surprising results.
No one is quite sure when all of this really started, by that I mean...research into anti-gravity.
But while researching into the matter, one can see by the known reports that this technology came into light right after World War 2 ended. Which makes us believe in the fact that (perhaps) the Germans were indeed researching into some unknown energy sources until then unknown.
It´s quite obvious also that the Allies captured alot of these "inventions" and used them for their own researches. If one looks into the matter, the so-called "UFO" craziness really started happening right after the war ended (Roswell), or on the last few days before it ended (foo-fighters).
But the research into it is so mindboggling that for the armed forces it is meant to be a secret.
You can check some sites for available details on the subject, like these...
http://www.americanantigravity.com/index.shtml
http://members.tripod.com/~antigravitypower/exper.html
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm ...with available pictures of anti-gravity experiments

So, there is something called anti-gravity.
But I am not about to say the Germans "invented" it, or made the Foo-fighter phenomenon.
For that you just have to see the available reports made at the time , and make your own conclusions.
Weather it might be an unknown weather effect still to be explained such as plasma or ball-plasma effects, or something more "man-made", it is still unkown.
Perhaps one day they (the armed forces) will finally release those top-secret papers and pictures they have been hiding for so long.

One very curious thought (reports) is also posted here... http://www.americanantigravity.com/einstein.shtml
Which talks about some interesting things that "might" have hapened during the war years into this research.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/docu ... ravity.pdf

Of course none of it can really be stated as a fact, simply because there is no proof (written proof) of it ever happening during the war years.
The only thing these researches have going for them is "eyewitness" accounts, which aren´t really that serious sometimes.
I do have Igor Witkowski´s book "the truth about the wunderwaffe" and he does have a very interesting book.Specially the part pertaining to the secret weapons of Germany during WW2. But the fact still remains as to the real truth ever coming to light as to the German secret research into electro-magnetic anti-gravity research being ever being done in the Third Reich. It does makes some very good reading, but still no positive facts available.
Everyone must make their own researches and come to their own conclusions as if this ever really happened.

Well, I hope I have helped everyone out a "little bit" on your searching for "the truth".

Good luck on your researches too.
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Post by PPoS » 28 Apr 2005 16:00

Well, you shouldn't believe everything you read. It might be true and it might be false. However, IF some government would posses anti-gravity engines, they would probably don't want anyone else get their hands on it. And it surely wouldn't be used in wartimes and as "cars" because it would possibly be to expensive, or maybe just in the prototype stage of development. But who knows?

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Post by PPoS » 28 Apr 2005 16:01

And you all gotta remeber something:

You can't prove that it exist, and I can't prove that it doesn't exist.

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