German Strategic Bombing

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby karaya1 » 27 Aug 2012 22:46

Thanks, I have to stop at the library asap. I'm interested in the German long-range bombing capabilities and actual operations, so this seems to be an interesting piece of information fitting well within the mosaic.

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby uhu » 02 Sep 2012 02:50

Karaya 1,

Look for anything you can find on Horst Von Riesen and KG1.

http://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby Will Belford » 15 May 2013 05:06

Fascinating comparison of the Ju88 and trhe Liberator, thank you.

A man I once knew was shot down on his first mission as a tail gunner in a Lancaster in 1943, and spent the next two years in a camp in Poland. He told me they used to watch the American B-17s fly over to bomb some target neaby and they couldn't believe how few bombs they carried. He said they'd put so many machine guns in the plane to protect it that all those guns and ammunition took up something like half the potential bomb load. Seemed a bit counter-productive to him!

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby phylo_roadking » 15 May 2013 21:18

Will - the B-17's bombload (max.) was actually very similar to the original specification for the Lancaster; however, the actual design of the B-17 airframe prevented any "stretch" in physical carrying capacity...unlike the Lanc, which had its bombbay amended...AND it's bomb doors "bulged"...allowing even "standard" Lancs to jump across its service history from a specificed 8,000 lbs originally to 14,400 lbs!
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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby Bader's Briar » 23 May 2013 18:52

THIS book should be MUCH more "enlightening" on the 177 and her relatives...

Dear Uhu & Karaya1:

Bader's Briar here - rather than the Smith/Creek volume, you MIGHT want to get a serious look at the reviews at Amazon.com (specifically at http://www.amazon.com/Heinkel-He-177-277-274/product-reviews/1853103640/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 ) for a 1998-published He 177 book (by Griehl and Dressel) that I've got a copy of, AND have used for a WHOLE LOT of the content at the English Wikipedia pages on the He 177, the high-altitude He 274, and the — yes, believe it or not, NEVER-built as a complete airframe — "He 277", as the 277's "final form" emerged with what can only be described as an enlarged He 219-patterned fuselage (complete with nosegear), as the Heinkel firm's Amerika Bomber contender.

Not too many copies of those books seem to remain available, and I was stunned to find out that the Smithsonian's NASM library doesn't even have a copy yet...but if you can either borrow a buddy's copy, or better yet acquire one yourself, you are gonna be QUITE surprised at what Fat Hermann thought about the DB 606 and possibly the DB 610 "power system" mills that the Gruesome Griffin was "afflicted" with...as "zusammengeschweißte Motoren" ???

Give that a look...and borrow OR get the book to check it out, if possible!

Yours Sincerely,

Bader's Briar.. :wink: ..!!

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby Lieutenant S. Chuikov » 20 May 2014 04:06

Someone please correct if this is wrong.

None of them were FW 200s, which were shown in Call of Duty, twice. Finest Hour was the only game that got it right by showing JU 88s, but apparently everyone hated that one.

I get that the developers wanted to show what people would identify as heavy bombers, and the Germans didn't have one, but it's still pretty poor.
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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby tramonte » 13 Oct 2015 10:45

I have certain doubts of casualties of all bombings if not carefully counted by reliable officials (like in UK). There is certain tendency to show loss figures higher than they actually were to dehumanize enemy. Also in reality many western German districts outside centre of cities and towns were not ruined much if not mauled by ground forces artillery/mortar.
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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby ManfredV » 19 Nov 2016 21:10

During last months and weeks of war even many smaller towns and villages were bombed. Of course many villages had only a few or no damages. Surprisingly some larger towns had only few damages, f.e. Fürth and Bamberg, but smaller towns like Plattling, Treuchtlingen and Crailsheim were hit heavely.
Generally rural areas and smaller towns were not so much damaged like larger towns, but many were.
And important factories, railways, bridges, power plants etc. were damaged or destroyed.

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby thestor » 28 Dec 2016 01:14

Question: what makes a strategic bomber? Isn't it range mostly? Wikipedia says on the B-17G
wikipedia wrote:Bombs:
Short range missions (<400 mi): 8,000 lb (3,600 kg)
Long range missions (≈800 mi): 4,500 lb (2,000 kg)

Seems to me that the medium Luftwaffe bombers weren't too badly behind the allied heavy bombers in pure bombload.
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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby steverodgers801 » 28 Dec 2016 15:21

general wever was interested in strategic bombing, but when he died in a crash in 37 or so the Luftwaffe, lost interest and focused on tactical support. on short range yes, but the Germans had no long range bombers. the He 177 was beset with design problems and never had an impact

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Postby HarryMann » 22 Oct 2017 09:38

Thestor...
Think you'll find they weren't in the same park re: strategic bombers let alone a fleet.


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