German Strategic Bombing

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Post by stg 44 » 15 Nov 2021 18:49

Cult Icon wrote:
12 Nov 2021 15:42
Came out recently, about the Operation Citadel preliminary:

Hitler's Strategic Bombing Offensive on the Eastern Front: Blitz Over the Volga, 1943 ... itry+Zubov
Very interesting book, thanks for sharing!

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Post by T. A. Gardner » 02 Jan 2023 20:44

ThatZenoGuy wrote:
12 Nov 2021 15:14
He 111 wrote:
10 Jul 2021 18:36
You should have compared the B 24 to the He 177. When the 177 engine where working fine it was a better bomber in my opinion.
The 24 represented what you really wanted with WW2 planes, a focus with role. While it had a hefty amount of weight tacked in with the amount of .50cals and armor plating to protect them, it was a bomber through and through.

The 177 represented a failure with focus on role, it was a strategic bomber with quirks like mixed remote/manual defences (pick one or the other, or you get no benefits of either!), welded together engines (loss in reliability no matter how you spin it, not good), and dive bomber abilities, which is simply wasted on the airframe and only increases weight further.

The Germans would've been far better off with a Kurt Tank designed bomber, that guy knew how to make a plane with a focus in mind.
One of the B-24's true strengths was its range. The plane could fly missions as much as 1,800 miles in radius from its airfield. The RAF in India managed to coax 2,200 mile bombing runs on Bangkok out of a B-24 removing some of the armor and guns allowing it to still carry an 8,000 lbs. bombload at the same time. They got 2,800 miles out of them with half that payload flying to Penang harbor for bombing runs.
The derivative PB4Y was the same way. On maritime patrol, it could stay airborne for close to a day.

While the He 177 is quoted as having a 3,000 mile (give or take) flying distance, it was never demonstrated in operational use that it could come anywhere close to that range.

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Post by niemandsland » 06 Jul 2023 14:19


maybe it fits the topic here.

A few weeks ago I dealt with the bombers of different nations in WW2.

Interesting for me was the maximum weight of bombs that could be transported and the number of people required for each aircraft.


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Avro Lancaster III (Lanc)(x4)		        6400 kg [7 men]
Short Stirling III			        6400 kg [7 men]
Handley Page Halifax VI(x4)			5900 kg [7 men]
Vickers Wellington III(x2)			2000 kg [5/6 men]
Handley Page Hampden				1800 kg [4 men]
Bristol Blenheim(x3)				 540 kg [3 men]

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Consolidated B-24d Liberator(x4)		5800 kg [11 men]
						3600 kg (640km)
						2300 kg (1300km)
						1200 kg (1900km)
Boeing B-17g Flying Fortress(x4)		5800 kg [10 men]
B-25j Mitchell(x2)				1450 kg
A-20b Havoc(x2)					 908 kg

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Heinkel He-177 (x2)				4000 kg
Heinkel He-111 (x2)				2800 kg
Junkers Ju-88 (x2)				1200 kg
Junkers Ju-87 (x1)				 700 kg

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Pqtlyakov Pq-8(x4)				6000 kg
Tupolev Tu-2(x2)				2000 kg
Ilyushin II-4(x2)				1750 kg
Pqtlyakov Pq-2(x2)				 800 kg
Source: ... -payloads/

Maybe someone can use it.

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Re: German Strategic Bombing

Post by wm » 13 Jan 2024 11:43

And this one (found on the Internet):
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