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hein · Post by **hein** » 02 Oct 2004 16:47

alltough i am very interested in ww II i am not very specialised in Luftwaffe
but i found this picture and would like to know more about it

any information or links please ( and what's the name of this plane )

tnx

Kurt_Steiner · Post by **Kurt_Steiner** » 02 Oct 2004 17:01

Hi Hein!

It's a Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet, the only only operational rocket-powered aircraft of the second world war. Its spectacular performance (both speed and climb rate) and dangers (because of the highly explosive rocket fuels) make it a fascinating piece of aviation history.

see

http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/me163.htm
http://mitglied.lycos.de/luftwaffe1/me1 ... intro.html (in German)
http://www.wblick.de/Flugzeuge/Me_163_g ... 163_g.html (in German)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.wal ... light1.htm
http://www.luftarchiv.de/ (in German)
http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg400.htm
http://www.franka.clara.net/pilot_story_5.htm

books:
Me 163: Rocket Interceptor (German) by Stephen Ransom, Hans-Hermann Cammann

Stormbird · Post by **Stormbird** » 02 Oct 2004 17:24

[quote="Kurt_Steiner"]Hi Hein!

It's a Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet, the only only operational rocket-powered aircraft of the second world war

Are you sure, i tought that the Bachem Natter Ba 349 was operational. It was never used operationally though, as the allies got close to the launch ramps and the Germans blew them up. I think it was operational for a couple of weeks before allied capture.

Stormbird · Post by **Stormbird** » 02 Oct 2004 17:32

Also if you are after some great books on the Me 163 i highly recommend these two below

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catal ... s_id=23590
http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catal ... s_id=23591

For reference material you can't go wrong with them i use them all the time.

VoL[oM · Post by **VoL[oM** » 02 Oct 2004 17:35

Wasn't the me-262 our i think 263 used in world war 2 ?

ChrisMAg2 · Post by **ChrisMAg2** » 02 Oct 2004 17:47

Stormbird wrote: ...
Are you sure, i tought that the Bachem Natter Ba 349 was operational. It was never used operationally though, as the allies got close to the launch ramps and the Germans blew them up. I think it was operational for a couple of weeks before allied capture.

Ba 349 was still far from being operational. It was in the final stages of evaluation and in the very first step of production. The first maned/ piloted functional and powered version ended lethal for the pilot on the maiden flight. The other devices were not used anymore.

VoL[oM wrote:Wasn't the me-262 our i think 263 used in world war 2 ?

Me 262 was indeed used operatinaly in WW2, but it was jet-powered fighter.

Regards
Christian M. Aguilar

Kurt_Steiner · Post by **Kurt_Steiner** » 02 Oct 2004 18:39

Hi everybody!

Stormbird wrote:

Are you sure, i tought that the Bachem Natter Ba 349 was operational. It was never used operationally though, as the allies got close to the launch ramps and the Germans blew them up. I think it was operational for a couple of weeks before allied capture.

As ChrisMAg2 points out, the Natter only flew some experimetnal flights. The first trial took place Feb 28, 1945, and it crashed, killing its pilot, Oberleutnant Lothar Siebert. In April, there had been 37 flights, all of them wereexperimental.

VoL[oM wrote:

Wasn't the me-262 our i think 263 used in world war 2 ?

Yes, the Me 262 was operational, as ChrisMAg2 points out.
The Me 263 was an improved version of the Komet, longer, with fixed landing gears and more fuel capacity. A glider version flew in April 1994 at Dessau, but nothing came out of it

hein · Post by **hein** » 02 Oct 2004 18:55

thank you all for the knowledge

hein

Javichu · Post by **Javichu** » 03 Oct 2004 00:39

I think the pilot wasn´t killed in the crash...He was allready dead,his neck broke in takeoff.
The Natter took off from a vertical launch ramp and they didn´t design a proper rest for the head of the pilot,the acceleration made the rest.

Stormbird · Post by **Stormbird** » 03 Oct 2004 07:47

where was the photo taken?? and you got any more???

hein · Post by **hein** » 03 Oct 2004 13:25

ha stormbird

ive been taken more info about this superb airplaine.
also i found some more pictures as you asked

all thanks 4 info

hein

Kurt_Steiner · Post by **Kurt_Steiner** » 03 Oct 2004 15:57

Waooo. Those pics of the Ba 349 Natter are really goooooood!!!!!

hein · Post by **hein** » 04 Oct 2004 00:38

hai kurt

here some more pics and a few good sites

http://www.germanvtol.com/bachemfolder/bachem.html
http://jpcolliat.free.fr/trident/trident-10.htm

fun

paddywhack · Post by **paddywhack** » 05 Oct 2004 00:17

not true about it being the only operatational rocket plane,you see that pic of the natter thats taken in a meseum by hein well if you look to the right you see a white liitle plane and that is a jap plane code name a the cherry blossem and it was also a rocket powered plane though it was for kamacaze only,heres a pic!

Stormbird · Post by **Stormbird** » 05 Oct 2004 03:41

I thought that to when i read Steiners reply but the Ohka was not really an aircraft more like a giuded missile. Yes the guidance system happened to be a crazy japanese person and yes it was rocket powered but it couldn't take off and it couldn't land, and your trip was one way. Here is a Japanese rocket aircraft (actually german design but in Japanese service) but it was never flew operationaly.

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