Messerschmitt Me 110 G-2(?) with Croatian markings......

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Messerschmitt Me 110 G-2(?) with Croatian markings......

Post by Michi » 25 Nov 2004 21:33

Is there any info available about the lonly Croatian Messerschmitt Me 110?? (maybe a G-2?)

Here is a link for a drawing:
Messerschmitt Me 110 with Croatian markings

Fiction??
Fact??



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Post by Scarlett » 26 Nov 2004 18:16

Fiction!

A list of the type and number of aircraft used by the Croatian Air Force during the course of the war:

Airspeed Oxford 2
Amiot 143 1
Avia B.534 4
Avia BH.33 7
Avia FL.3 20
Avia-Fokker F.39 1
Avia-Fokker F.IX 1
Avia-Fokker F.VII/3m 6
Avro Anson 1
Benes-Mraz Be.51 25
Breguet XIX 46
Bristol Blenheim 8
Bucker Bu 131 46
Bucker Bu 133 10
Bucker Bu 181 22
Cant Z.1007 3
Caproni Ca.100 1
Caproni Ca.310 7
Caproni Ca.311 14
Caproni Ca.312 11
Caproni Ca.313 1
Caproni Ca.314 1
Caudron C.635 1
D.H.60 1
D.H.80 Puss Moth 2
D.H.82 Tiger Moth 1
Dornier Do 17 23
Dornier Do Y 1
Fiat G.50 9
Fiat G.50B1 1
Fieseler Fi 156 11
Fieseler Fi 167 12
Focke Wulf Fw 58 1
Fokker F.18 1
Hawker Fury 1
Hopfner WN 15 1
Ikarus IK-2 4
Junkers Ju 52 1
Junkers W 34 4
Klemm L.25 1
Macchi C.202 3
Messerschmitt Bf 108 1
Messerscmitt Bf 109 50
Morane Saulnier MS 406 48
Potez 25 48
Potez 63 12
Rogozarski PVT 15
Rogozarski R.100 11
Rogozarski SIM X 2
Rogozarski SIM XI 1
RWD-13 1
Saiman 200 25
Saiman 202 2
Savoia-Marchetti S.M.82 4
Zmaj Fizir FN 23
Zmaj Fizir FNM 6
Zmaj Fizir FP.2 23

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Post by Larry D. » 26 Nov 2004 19:53

Fiction, Michi, unless you can find an unaltered photo or documented proof.

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Post by Michi » 27 Nov 2004 02:48

AVIONI I JEDRILICE KORIŠTENI NA PODRUČJU NEZAVISNE DRŽAVE HRVATSKE Numbers of the Planes and Serial Numbers of the Planes operated by the Croatian Airforce (not included is the Croatian Airforce Legion)

1st row: Tip letjelice Aircraft Type
2nd row: Količina-godina nabave Quantity-year of acquision
3rd row: Registarski brojevi Serial numbers

Airspeed AS-6 Envoy 2 / 1943 2001 & 2002
Aero-2 1/ 1942 ?
Amiot 143 M 1 / 1941 1701
A.V.I.A. FL 3 otvorena kabina 10 / 1943 8001 – 8010
A.V.I.A. FL 3 zatvorena kabina 10 / 1943 8101 – 8110
Avia BH-33E-SHS 7 / 1941 3301 – 3307
Avia-Fokker F VII/3m 6 / 1942 1901 – 1906
Avia-Fokker F IX 1 / 1942 1952
Avia-Fokker F.18 1 / 1942 1951
Avia-Fokker F.39 1 / 1941 1801
Be-51 Beta Minor 25 / 1943 6401 – 6425
Breguet XIX Jupiter motor 30 / 1941 4501 – 4530
Breguet XIX/7 motor Hispano Suiza 5 / 41 4601 – 4605
Breguet XIX motor Lorreine 5 / 41 4901 – 4905
Breguet XIX/8 motor Wright Cyclone 10 / 41 4701 – 4710
Bristol Blenheim Mk I 8 / 41 1501 – 1508
Bü 131 Jungmann 46 / 1941 - 1943 7501 – 7546
Bü 133 Jungmeister 10 / 41 7701 – 7710
Bü 181 Bestmann 22 / 1944 7401 – 7422
CANT Z-1007 bis 6 / 1944 ?
Caproni Ca.310 6 / 1941- 1942 1001 – 1006
Caproni Ca.310 bis 1 / 1942 1101
Caproni Ca.311 M 14 / 1942 1201 – 1214
Caproni Ca.313 G 1 / 1944 ?
Caproni Ca.314 1 / 1943 -1944 1301
D.H.80 Puss Moth 2 / 1943 5551& 5556
Dornier Do Y 1 / 1941 - 1942 ?
Dornier Do 17 E 30 / 1943 0301 – 0330
Dornier Do 17 Ka-2 11 / 1942 0101 – 0111
Dornier Do 17 Z-2 12 / 1943 0401 – 0412
Fiat Br 20 6 / 1944 ?
Fiat G.50 bis 9 / 1942 3501 - 3509
Fiat G.50 B dvosjed 1 / 1942 3510
Fieseler Fi 156 C i B 11 / 41 4101.?.4111,4151,4152
Fieseler Fi 167 A-0 12 / 1943 - 1944 4801 – 4812
Fizir FN 20 / 1941 7001 – 7020
Fizir FN Ruler 5 / 41 7101 – 7105
Fizir FP.2 23 / 1941 6801 – 6823
Hawker Fury MkII 1 / 1942 ?
Hirtenberg-Hopfner WN-15 1 / 1943 2101
Ikarus IK-2 4 / 1941 2901 – 2904
Ikarus MM-2 1 / 1942 6301
Junkers W.34 3 / 1943 ?
Macchi MC.202 ? / 1944 ?
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-6 ? / 1945 ?
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-10 ? / 1945 ?
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-14 ? / 1945 ?
Messerschmitt Me 110 G-2 1 / 1945 ?
Morane Saulnier M.S.406C-1 38 / 1944 2301 – 2338
Potez XXV A2 42 / 1941 5001 – 5042
Rogožarski PVT 15 / 1941 6601 – 6615
Rogožarski R-100 11 / 1941 6501 – 6511
Rogožarski SIM-X 1 / 1941 7301
Rogožarski SIM-XI 1 / 1941 7351
RWD XIII 1 / 1942 5501
Saiman 200 25 / 1943 6301 – 6325
Saiman 202 2 / 1943 6351 – 6352
Savoia-Marchetti S.79 1 / 1941 0701
Modly J.M.8 1 / 1944 ?
Jedrilica Vrabac ? / 1941 - 1942 ?
Jedrilica Zogling Z35 ? / 1941 - 1942 ?
Jedrilica Sg 38 ? ?
Jedrilica Salamander ? ?
Jedrilica MK-2 ? ?
Jedrilica Komar Bis ? / 1941 - 1942 ?
Jedrilica Grunau Baby Iib ? / 1941 - 1942 ?
Jedrilica PWS 101 1 / 1943 ?



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I'm not sure if this list comes right through.
If someone wants a correct .xls (Excel) list please mail me:
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Post by Larry D. » 27 Nov 2004 13:38

Michi -

Good list. Regarding the Bf 110G-2, as the list very strongly suggests, this was not a machine requisitioned by and delivered to the NDH Air Force through normal equipment supply channels. Although I have never read anywhere of the NDH having a Bf 110, it is entirely possible that in 1945 the Germans based at Pleso or Velika Gorica handed one over to the Croatians. Perhaps it had been damaged and the Luftwaffe unit it belonged to transferred elsewhere before it could be repaired. A month or two later it was decided to just write it off and give it to the Croatians. I would almost be willing to bet money that this is the way in happened.

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Post by DenesBernad » 30 Nov 2004 17:56

There is a photo in one of the Croat-published books on the NDH, the one authored also by Tihomir Lisko, which shows the fuselage of a Bf 110, with the late-war Croatian markings on it.

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 110 G-2(?) with Croatian markings......

Post by Cantankerous » 12 Sep 2023 15:47

From Wikipedia:
Further deliveries of new aircraft from Germany continued in the early months of 1945 to replace losses, with 39 arriving by the end of March. These included, in addition to regular Messerschmitt Bf 109G deliveries, the final dozen Dornier Do 17 medium bombers, which arrived in January. In March, despite the loss of 15 Bf 109G&Ks, ten Morane-Saulnier M.S.406, three Fiat CR.42 and two Fiat G.50, the ZNDH's fighter force included 23 Messerschmitt Bf 109G&Ks, three Morane-Saulnier M.S.406, six Fiat G.50 and two Messerschmitt Bf 110G fighters. With the Bf 109G the ZNDH were finally able to face the USAAF and RAF on equal terms, with two squadrons equipped with the type from late 1944...

That evening, with the Partisans advancing upon Zagreb, the commanding officer of the ZNDH fighter group gathered his men at Zagreb's Lucko airfield and released them from their oath of loyalty and announced that each was free to go. Some flew their aircraft and crews, including several Dornier Do 17s and a CANT Z.1007 to Italy and surrendered to the Allied forces there. Some flew their aircraft over to the Partisans, including several light aircraft and some Bf 109s, whilst others, also including Bf 109s, as well as at least one Dornier Do 17Z, a Messerschmitt Bf 110G-2, a Bristol Blenheim I and a Yugoslav-designed and built Zmaj Fizir FP-2, sought sanctuary in Klagenfurt, Austria.
Given that this info comes from the book Hrvatsko Ratno Zrakoplovstvo u Drugome Svjetskom Ratu but also the 2002 Osprey Publishing book Croatian Aces of World War II, it's obvious that the air force of the Nazi puppet government in Croatia received two Bf 110G-2s in the early months of 1945, but that when the Yugoslav Partisan forces closed in on Zagreb, one of the two Bf 110s in Croatian service fled to Austria.

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