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Post by SES » 11 Jan 2006 22:01

RS 1800 wrote:Great list! I made a search in the Swedish national library catalog, wich also includes the military library, found the follwing titles from your list, and i have requested them to my university.

Hitler's rocket sites / by Philip Henshall
Hitler's miracle weapons : the secret history of the rockets and flying craft of the Third Reich. Vol. 2, From the V-1 to the A-9 / Friedrich Georg.
Hitler's last weapons : the underground war against the V1 and V2 / Józef Garlinski
The battle of the V-weapons, 1944-45 / by Basil Collier
Nazi rocketeers : dreams of space and crimes of war / Dennis Piszkiewicz (available as ebook)

And i also found these:

institution: United States. United States Strategic Bombing Survey. Military Analysis Division
title: V-weapons (Crossbow) campaign.
year: Washington, D.C. : U.S. Government Printing Office, 1947

Die V1 : eine Dokumentation : mit 104 technischen Darstellungen und 136 Fotos / Wilhelm Hellmold

Operation Big Ben : the dive-bombing Spitfire missions, 1944-45 / Craig Cabell & Graham Thomas


Hi,
There is MUCH more to BIG BEN than dive-bombing by Spitfires. Please see:
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=Big ... V2&spell=1
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Post by RS 1800 » 12 Jan 2006 09:16

Interesting, i did know that the allies was able to track the rockets, and pin point the launch sites, but the rest was new to me.

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Post by SES » 12 Jan 2006 09:56

Yes, there are so many facets to the V-Veapons story from both the allied and German perspective. It's a very great puzzle, which in my opinion has not been fully completed yet. If a moderator is watching I would sugest a section on V-Weapons on it's own. Here we are discussing the V-2 in the Luftwaffe section and the guys in the Heer section may never notice and contribute.
On your suggested reading I would like to add:
"Most Secret War" by professor R.V. Jones.
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Post by RS 1800 » 12 Jan 2006 10:01

SES wrote:Yes, there are so many facets to the V-Veapons story from both the allied and German perspective. It's a very great puzzle, which in my opinion has not been fully completed yet. If a moderator is watching I would sugest a section on V-Weapons on it's own. Here we are discussing the V-2 in the Luftwaffe section and the guys in the Heer section may never notice and contribute.
On your suggested reading I would like to add:
"Most Secret War" by professor R.V. Jones.
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So true.

I found that book at the university library.

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Post by RS 1800 » 12 Jan 2006 21:32

Been flicking through R.V. Jones book, Most Secret War, and there are some interesting thing, not only about V-wepons but also on german radar.

A few interesting notes:

From a report dated 12th of august 1943

Colonel Wachtel and the officers that he has collected were to form the cadres of an anti-aircraft regiment (16 batteries of 220 men, the 155 W, that is going to be stationed in France, at the end of Octover or beginning of November, with HQ near Amiens, and batteries between Amiens, Abbeville, Dunkirk.
The regiment will dispose 108 catapults able fire a bomb every twenty minutes...


This was the first time the allies heard of Colonel Wachtel his technical adviser Sommerfeld and the Flak Regiment 155W, wich started out as Wachtels Lehr-und-Erprobungskommando and then formed into the 155W.

The first full report about the new constructions along the channel coast came in on the 28:th of October. It was a description of the launch site at Bois Carré near Yvrench, and the information was confirmed by photographic sortie E/463 of 3rd November.

The first bombing of the sites started on large scale on the 21st December 1943, and on Christmas Eve 1.700 tons of bombs where dropped. Wachtel decided that the allies knew to much of his organisation. He aimed to supress the name Flak Regiment 155 and it replace it by Flak Gruppe Creil, pulling back his HQ 100 kilometers southwards from Doullens to a châteu near Creil, about 45 kilometers from Paris. To change his identity he dyed his hair black, grew a beard and changed his name to Max Wolf.

But the brittish recived a report dated the end of December, wich told the full story about Wachtel plans.

In december 1943 Flak Regiment 155W, was subordinated to a new Army Corps, the LXVth, commanded by Lieutenant General Erich Heinemann, who was to co-ordinate Wachtels operations with those of Major General Dornberger.

The bombing raids against the 96 "ski" sites contiuned, it was considered that all the ski sites would be destroyed by the end of April 1944. But new aerial photographs showed that the germans were building what became known as modified sites, from wich the familar ski sites were missing, and wich could be much more rapidly errected.

The first ten bombs were launched on the night of 12th/13th June, five crashed shortly after launching, and sixth one went missing; of the remaining four, one fell in Sussex, and the others near Gravesend, near Sevenoaks and at Bethnal Green.

Not until the 15th of June did Wachtel managed fire any more rockets. At 22:30 the 155 launched more then 200 V1s, of wich 144 crossed the channel and 73 reached greater London.

(Source R.V. Jones, Most Secret War)

There are no record of any rockets fired from the Cotentin at all.

Will add a few pictures later tonight or tomorrow.

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Post by Larry D. » 13 Jan 2006 00:11

There are no record of any rockets fired from the Cotentin at all.


Nor any official mention so far of the mysterious V., VI., VII., VIII. and IX. Abteilungen. It is only the French web sites that make any mention of these. Until proven otherwise, my hypothesis is that these were planned Abteilungen that never got past the paper stage. The French map, therefore, is a planning document.

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Post by RS 1800 » 13 Jan 2006 09:49

Larry D. wrote:
There are no record of any rockets fired from the Cotentin at all.


Nor any official mention so far of the mysterious V., VI., VII., VIII. and IX. Abteilungen. It is only the French web sites that make any mention of these. Until proven otherwise, my hypothesis is that these were planned Abteilungen that never got past the paper stage. The French map, therefore, is a planning document.



The only written source about the "lost" Abteilungen", is in the book "Les armes secrets Allemande Les V1. Wich is a book entirely dedicated to the V1 launch sites on the Cotentin.

I posted a scan of the german map of the IV and VIII abt., wich cleary shows the V1 installations (according to the author this is a genuine german map). But it probably both planned and completes sites. It also shows destroyes sites, so it probably dates early 1944, since the bombing of these sites started in late december 1943.

From the same book: "the construction of the large ski sites and the versorgungs stellen, ended in December 1943 due to the severe allied bombing. Some work continued but this was only to draw attention away from the new light sites. 65 launch sites was planned in the Contentin but only 31 was finsihed.

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Post by RS 1800 » 13 Jan 2006 09:56

The first full report about the new constructions along the channel coast came in on the 28:th of October. It was a description of the launch site at Bois Carré near Yvrench, and the information was confirmed by photographic sortie E/463 of 3rd November.


Here is the aerial photo from this sortie

Aerial Photo
http://www.jm-motorsport.se/ww2/00010.jpg
(Source R.V. Jones, Most Secret War)[/quote]

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Post by Larry D. » 13 Jan 2006 15:10

RS 1800 wrote:

The only written source about the "lost" Abteilungen", is in the book "Les armes secrets Allemande Les V1. Wich is a book entirely dedicated to the V1 launch sites on the Cotentin.

I posted a scan of the german map of the IV and VIII abt., wich cleary shows the V1 installations (according to the author this is a genuine german map). But it probably both planned and completes sites. It also shows destroyes sites, so it probably dates early 1944, since the bombing of these sites started in late december 1943.


Yes, that is true. But what I was referring to is that the primary source - the "bible" - on German formations/units in respect to their organization, dates of formation and disbandment, composition, chain of command, etc., is:

Tessin, Georg. Verbände und Truppen der Deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS 1939-1945. 16 Bände. (Osnabrück: Biblio Verlag, 1965-80).

Tessin only shows Flak-Rgt. 155(W) as having I. - IV. Abt. in 1943 and I. - III. Abt. in 1944 with a maximum of 24 batteries. So we have an inconsistency - a difference - between the organizational "bible" on German units (Tessin) and the French book. This difference needs to be reconciled. The only way to do that will be to see the Vergeltung: Das Flakregiment 155 (W) book that we discussed earlier. Otherwise, we will not know with absolute certainty that the V. - IX. Abteilungen were actually formed.

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Post by kstdk » 13 Jan 2006 16:36

Hello

According to a list of sites in West-Vlaanderen in Belgium the IX Abt. was operating there from 15. August 1944 to 2. September 1944 - it states also that the IX Abt. was buildt up by the IV Abt. when they withdrew from Rouen to Dieppe and then to Belgium. There was planned 36 sites in Belgium, and 18 of them were operational for a short time.

http://www.v1westvlaanderen.tk/

I also have this info for further research: *Imperial War Museum - RH 24-30 ( 281 - 286 ) Regarding Flak Reg. 155 :

Stichworte: Citat.

Meldungen betr. Sonderwaffen an denOB WestEnthält u.a.-
Bauzustand der Feuerstellungen- Erfahrungen beim Stellungsausbau
Organisation, enthält u.a.:-
Großeinsatz „V1“ (Stellungnahme)-
Karte und Negativ der Einsatzräume und Schußbereiche-
Ein-, Neu- und Umgliederungen Nov. 1943 – Okt. 1944
Einsatz- und Versorgungslage, Nachschub-
Erkundung und Stellungsausbau-
Einsatz des Korps und unterstellter Einheiten -
Abwehr und Tarnung-
Stand der Sondervorhaben, Sonderwaffen-
Einsatz V1 (aus der Luft), FZG 76-
Verwendung Flak-Regiment 155(W)-
Einsatz Gruppe Baier u.a. Formationen-
Unternehmen „Lotte“, „Maikäfer“-
Verlagerung Stellung A4-
Funktstörabwehrmaßnahmen bei A4-
Gegenmaßnahmen Invasion, Paris u.a. Nov. 1943 – Okt. 1944
Ausbildung Flak-Regiment 155(W) Febr. 44 – Juni 44
Ipscher Anlagen. –
Irreführungsanlagen Enthält u.a.:-
Erkundung von Bauplätzen-
Karten Dez. 43 – März 44
Einsatz Sondergerät und Spezialfahrzeuge-
Schadensmeldungen an Bauten-
Tarnüberwachung-
Sicherungskräfte TVZ-
Brennschußanlage C-
Funkstörabwehrmaßnahmen-
Abholzung Feuerstellungsräume-
Flakgruppe Creil-
Beauftragter z.b.V. Heer-
Abstürze von „Maikäfern“ Nov. 43 – Nov. 44

Citat Ende.

I am still working of "my complete list" with sites numbers and geographic names of each position, and i will bring my suggested list later for your comments and corrections.

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Post by Larry D. » 13 Jan 2006 17:06

That's interesting, Kurt.

Ein-, Neu- und Umgliederungen Nov. 1943 – Okt. 1944


That means that the definitive information concerning the number of Abteilungen that were actually formed is available.

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Post by kstdk » 14 Jan 2006 15:54

Hello SES

I can fully support that wich !! 8)

It would be a good thing to make a section for "V-Weapons" with sub titles for the different weaponssystems !!

But what about the fact that they were connected to both the Army and the Airforce ??

And for the V-2 it was also connected to SS ??

But then again, by making its own section we collect all under "one hat" so to speak, and then all who´s interested will see it !! :D

SES wrote:Yes, there are so many facets to the V-Veapons story from both the allied and German perspective. It's a very great puzzle, which in my opinion has not been fully completed yet.

If a moderator is watching I would sugest a section on V-Weapons on it's own. Here we are discussing the V-2 in the Luftwaffe section and the guys in the Heer section may never notice and contribute.bregdsSES


So - what´s the Moderators opinion here ???

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Post by RS 1800 » 15 Jan 2006 20:01

Interesting Kurt. Been looking around for, Vergeltung, 155 war diary, and i might just have found it. Also waiting for the rest of my books to arrive from the other librarys.

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Post by kstdk » 15 Jan 2006 20:24

Hello all

Just to say that i have edited the source in my above post:

Not BA-MA but Imperial War Museum RH 24-30 / 275 - 286 !!!!

Sorry my mistake. I had just been reading som info from BA-MA, so.....

The old British signature for these archive is:

M.I. 14/806V - 807V - M.I.14/843V - 868V - 865V - 866V

In the same archive is a lot of information about the V2 as well:

Gen.Kdo LXV (65) z.b.V - Schwerer V-Waffen Einsatz.

Unterstellten Einheiten:

ArkoHarko 191
Stab Kommandostelle S
Art. Rgt. 760
Art. Rgt. ( Mot) 839
Art. Reg. z.b.V. 901
Art. Reg. z.b.V. 902
Art. Reg. 970
H.Flak.Art.Abt. (Mot) 291
H.Flak.Art.Abt. 294
H.Art.Abt. (Mot) 485
H.Art.Abt. (Mot) 836
H.Art.Abt. (Mot) 953
SS-Beob.Abt. 500
SS-Werfer-Bttr. 500
Bau-Btl. 434
Artillerie- und Prüfpark (Mot) 91 - 92
Korps-Nachr. Abt. 465
Nachr.Komp. (Mot) 724
Funkhorchkp. (Mot) 725
Lehr- und Ers. Bttr. (Mot) 93
Art.Ers.Abt. 271
Lehr- und Versuchsbatterie 444
Feldgendarmerie-Trupp a (Mot) 900
Gruppe Geheime Feldpolizei 716
Kdr. D. Nachschubtruppen 1191
Kw.-Werkstattkp. 1191
Kf.Abt. 900


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Post by kstdk » 15 Jan 2006 22:32

Hello

The promised list of sites found ( so far ):

NB: There may be fault or errors, so if you have corrections please post. There also might be some sites which will turn out to be identical - but thats just the intention, to have corrections and make the list correct ( or as correct as possible ).

V1 – Sites in France:

Nr.1 to Nr.10?
Nr. 11 Flottemanville-Hague 'Le Pivot' – Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 11a Flottemanville-Hague (No trace)
Nr. 12 Nouainville 'La Croix-Rouge' – Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 13 Hardinvast 'La Rocher' - Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 14 Hardinvast 'La Fournellerie' - Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 15 La Glacerie 'La Flague' – Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 16 Brix ' Le Chateau de Pannelier' - Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 17 Mesnil-au-Val 'La sorellerie ou La Boissaye' - Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 18 Mesnil-au-Val 'L'Orion' – Stp. 18 – Stellung alter Bauart
Nr. 18a Saussmesnil - (No trace)
Nr. 19 to Nr. 44?
Nr. 45. Volkerinckhove, Saint Omer
Nr. 46 to Nr. 58?
Nr. 59 Le Nieppe, Coupe
Nr. 60 to Nr. 64?
Nr. 65 Steenbecque
Nr. 66 to Nr. 89?
Nr. 90 Crepy
Nr. 91 to Nr. 94?
Nr. 95 Fleury
Nr. 96 to Nr. 98?
Nr. 99 Humiéres
Nr. 100 to Nr. 112?
Nr. 113 Blangerval
Nr. 114 to Nr. 121?
Nr. 122 Fleurs
Nr. 123 to Nr. 138?
Nr. 139 Saussemesnil - Les Fosses – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 140 Château de Rochemont – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 141 L'Arbre à Tison – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 142 Hameau de Bas.
Nr. 143 Nouainville 'La Granchette' – Einsatz Stellung – Command Post 1. Battr. IV/155 (W)
Nr. 144 Tonneville ' Le Manoir' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 145 Sainte-Croix-Hague 'Ferme de l'Epinay' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 146 Branville ' Lillerie' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 147 La Vacquerie – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 148 Saussemesnil ' La Coucourie' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 149 to Nr. 184?
Nr. 185 Bourgtheroulde
Nr. 194 to Nr. 195?
Nr. 196 Le Petit Boisney
Nr. 197 Bertreville St. Ouen
Nr. 198 Mont Candon
Nr. 199?
Nr. 200 Bouainville Faverolles
Nr. 201 to Nr. 204?
Nr. 205 Bois de Bretonne
Nr. 206 to Nr. 208?
Nr. 209 Castillon en Auge
Nr. 210?
Nr. 211?
Nr. 212 Maucomble
Nr. 213?
Nr. 214 Louvagny
Nr. 215?
Nr. 216?
Nr. 217?
Nr. 218 La Vieux Rue
Nr. 219 to Nr. 222?
Nr. 223 Sain-Sauveur-le-Vicomte – Einsatz Stellung – Command Post 1. Battr. VIII/155 (W)
Nr. 224 Besneville – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 225 Croville-sur-Douve 'Le Château' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 226 Sainte-Colombe 'Le Château' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 227 Golleville 'Château du Quesnoy' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 228 Golleville 'Le Château' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 229 Néhou 'La Mare-Laniepce' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 230 Saint-Jacques-de-Néhou – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 231 Saint-Jacques-de-Néhou ' Hameau Piquet' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 232 Yvetot-Bocage 'Manoir de la Haulle' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 233 Valognes 'Chateau de Beaumont' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 234 Chemin du Hameau ès-Longs – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 235 Saint-Germain-de-Tournebut 'Les Semis Château de la Brisette', Bretteville – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 236 La Sagerie, Montaigu la Brisette – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 237 Breuville 'Manoir du Bosq' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 238 Rauville la Bigot – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 239 Rauville la Bigot 'La croix des Chèvres'
Nr. 240 Bricqueboscq 'La maison de Bricquebosc' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 241 Rauville la Bigot 'La Hectonnerie' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 242 Grosville 'Bonnetot' – Einsatz Stellung
Nr. 243 Branville ou Greville – (No trace)
Nr. 244?
Nr. 245 Flottemanville-Hague ' La Malbrêche' – Ersatz Stellung
Nr. 246?
Nr. 247 Tollevast – (No trace)
Nr. 248 Tollevast, Ocqueville, Chateau de Catteville – (No trace)
Nr. 249?
Nr. 250 Saussemesnil – (No trace)
Nr. 251 to 254?
Nr. 255 Tremauville
Nr. 256 to Nr. 607?
Nr. 608 Tourneghem, Neuville
Nr. 609 to Nr. 619?
Nr. 620 Zudausques
Nr. 621?
Nr. 622?
Nr. 623 Morbesques
Nr. 624 to Nr. 632?
Nr. 633 Lisbourg
Nr. 634?
Nr. 635 Fontaine-les-Hermans
Nr. 636 to Nr. 639?
Nr. 640 Monchy, Cayeux
Nr. 641 Loisson sur Crequoise
Nr. 642?
Nr. 643 La Loge Quest
Nr. 644?
Nr. 645 Croisette
Nr. 646 St. Josse au Bois
Nr. 647 Vacqueriette
Nr. 648 to Nr. 680?
Nr. 681 Esclavelles, La Chenaie
Nr. 682 to Nr. 684?
Nr. 685 Val Ygot
Nr. 686?
Nr. 687?
Nr. 688 Rocquemont
Nr. 689 Estouteville Ecalles
Nr. 690?
Nr. 691 Belmesnil
Nr. 692 to Nr. 856?
Nr. 857 Aumeville-Lestre (No trace)
Nr. 858 Tamerville – Command Post 4. Battr. VIII/155 (W)
Nr. 859 Saint-Cyr (some earthwork)
Nr. 860 Négreville (some earthwork) – Command Post 3. Battr. VIII/155(W)
Nr. 861 Sain-Martin-le-Hérbert
Nr. 862 Rocheville (No trace)
Nr. 863 Hemevez (No trace)
Nr. 864 Orglandes (No trace) - Command Post VIII Abt./155 (W)
Nr. 865 Biniville
Nr. 866 Briquebec
Nr. 867 Saint-Germain-le-Gaillard
Nr. 868 Saint-Germain-le-Gaillard
Nr. 869 Saint-Jaques-de-Néhou: (No trace)
Nr. 870 Sain-Sauveur-le-Vicomte (No trace)
Nr. 871 Rauville-la-Place (No trace)
Nr. 871 Varenguebec
Nr. 872 to Nr. 1000?
Nr. 1001 Renescure
Nr. 1002?
Nr. 1003 Beauvoir Bonnieres
Nr. 1004 Domleger
Nr. 1005 to Nr. 1007?
Nr. 1008 Bricquebec - Versorgungsstelle
Nr. 1009 Valognes, Cherbourg / Tamerville / Couville - Bauvorhaben 7 B7, Wasserwerk, Versorgungsstelle
Nr. 1010 to Nr. 1013?
Nr. 1014 Rollencourt
Nr. 1015 Ferfay
Nr. 1016 Wavrans
Nr. 1028 Montebourg
Nr. 1029 Saint-Jaques-de-Néhou

Legend:

Einsatz Stellung - (Light Site)
Ersatz Stellung - (Backup Site)
Stellung alter Bauart - (Heavy Site)
Zerstörte Stellung - (Destroyed Site)
Batterie Befehlsstelle - (Battery Command Post)
Abteilungs- Gefechtsstand - (Abt. Command Post)
Versorgungsstellen - (Supply Sites)
Wasserwerk - (Water Sites)
Feltmulag or Feldmuna – (Ammunitions Depot)
Nachschub – (Supply Chain)

Names of sites without any known number:

Aganvillers, Abbeville
Amiens – Gefechtsstand Flak Regiment 155(W) - Stollenanlage
Bergueneuse
Bois Carre, Yvrench
Bois Caret, Drionville
Callengeville
Campneuseville, Beaulieu
Clairefeville
Eperlesques (V2 – V1)
Équeurdreville-Hainnville – Wasserwerk Nr. 2
St. Leu D´Esserent (Feltmulag)
Foret de L´Ermitage (Chateau) – Command Post 2. Battr. IV/155 (W)
Henouville, Rouen
Houppeville, Rouen
La Bois Cosiniere
La Boissais
Richemont
Rufosses
St. Phillibert Ferme
Bois de Renty
Rimboval
Bois Remipre, Le Mont Hery, Remortier
Bonningues les Ardres
Sautrecourt
Nardouet, Octeville
Varneville, Bretteville
Brecourt, Cherbourg- Ersatz Bauvorhaben 8, Minenlager, Ölbunker, Wasserwerk
Devres, Lottinghem - Wasserwerk
Siracourt, St. Pol sur Ternoise, Calais – Wasserwerk 1
Vignacourt, Belloy sur Somme
Villaines la Carelle – Steinbruch, V1 Lager - Stollenanlage
Wallon-Cappel
Couville, Cherbourg
Wisques
Quettot – Command Post 2. Battr.VIII/155(W)
Chateau de Martinvast – Command Post IV Abt./155 (W)
Martinvast, Cherbourg – Bauvorhaben 8 B8, Wasserwerk
Sottevast – RLW, Reserve Lager West, Bauvorhaben 51-B51-1351 – V2?
Unknown location – Feldmuna Luche – Decknamen “Luchs“ – Stollenanlage
Unknown location – Feldmuna for FZG 76 – Decknamen “Biber”


On going research:

Sites in Belgium:

Nr. 1 to 18?
Nr. 19 Krombeke
Nr. 20 to 36?

? Kwaremont, Kluisbergen

NB: Only 18 of the 36 sites was operational.


Sites in Luxemburg:

Angeville, Thiel – „Natzweiler“

Sites in Holland:

Amelo

Sites in Germany:

Lohmar, Köln
Rheinbreitbach, Siebengebirge – “Auge Gottes”
Vaihingen, Enz – „Stoffel“

Sites in Poland:

Blizna

Misch. In search for Information of:

Regiment 152 Wachtel – Eifel - Germany?
Flakgruppe Creil?
1/93 – 2/93
18 Flakbrigade

Hope this may be useful, and also that you all will comment on this - please.

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