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Post by maxpower » 01 Apr 2006 17:14

I read of a special unit (I don't know if it was squadron group or what) that specialized in destroying soviet trains
What was it?
Who were some of the fliers in it? I know of two Udo Cordes & Ernst Fasch
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Post by FO121 » 01 Apr 2006 19:52

What is the name of this special unit?
As far as I know did every bomber unit a couple of those missions.
Especially those which operated from Banak in Northern Norway against Murmansk and allied suplly convois(e.g. KG30)

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Post by maxpower » 02 Apr 2006 01:51

Gee I WISH I knew but all I know is that it had an emblem showing the profile (In black) of a Child's toy train
I'm sorry but that's all I know The emblem was on a sight called "Luftgwaffe Insignia" and I can't get it on my computer
anymore! Maybe it went out of service?
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Post by Erich » 02 Apr 2006 21:51

John, I am going to post your question over on TOCH and LEMB to see where this goes..........

109 and Fw 190 pilots on the Ost front also had a good time with Soviet Locos .

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Post by johnestauffer » 03 Apr 2006 15:13

There were a number of modified Do217 & Ju88's used for 'train busting' They had solid noses with numerous 2cm guns. I believe they belonged to special staffel in the standard KG's (bomber wings)
(My Green's German A/C is packed up - I am moving - so I can't get the specific details)

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Post by Erich » 03 Apr 2006 15:30

the black train wappen is from I./ZG 76 by the way.

many of he KG gruppen had a staffel with special emphasis on train busting using Ju 88C-6's. 9.(Eis)/KG 3 being one with
RK winner Ernst Fach in September of 43 and 9./KG 55 which operated in that capacity with 88C-6's in February of 1943.........

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Post by Erich » 03 Apr 2006 16:06

if I may add a side note I picked up from the friends at LEMB: 14. (EISb.)/KG 55 was some sort of independent staffel operating the He 111H-16 with six forward firing 2cm weapons with a specially rigged altimeter for low level flying to attack Soviet trains. 9 crews were lost in action with the staffel but some 5,000 missions completed.

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Post by PPoS » 03 Apr 2006 19:36

Found a picture of one of these Heinkel He 111H-16
This rare photograph shows an He111 H-16 used by 14.(Eis)/KG55 the specialist train-busting unit. It has been fitted with six forward firing 20mm cannon. He111s of this unit were fitted with an electronic alitmeter that allowed them to fly at only 20 metres above the tracks. The Staffel lost nine crews but flew over 5,000 missions.
http://www.btinternet.com/~air_research ... 78snow.jpg

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Post by Erich » 04 Apr 2006 00:35

Udo had 81 Soviet Locos to his credit Ernst hado something like 63 before his untimely death in his Ju 88C-6. 9 crews of 9./KG 3 in two months popped 216 Soviet locos-trains............pretty impressive I would say

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Post by Bronsky » 19 Apr 2006 10:12

Erich wrote:Udo had 81 Soviet Locos to his credit Ernst hado something like 63 before his untimely death in his Ju 88C-6. 9 crews of 9./KG 3 in two months popped 216 Soviet locos-trains............pretty impressive I would say
French ace Clostermann is credited with 72 locomotives, and I only looked him up because his score was easily accessible, I'm sure that some Typhoon or P-47 pilots must have done better.

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Post by Erich » 19 Apr 2006 15:18

that was for Clostermanns long career if true. look at what I presented in 2 months for the Ju 88C-6. top scorer in the 352nd blue nosers was 40 locos popped. 55th fg was even much better. And yes some scored over 70 in the 9th AF.

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Post by Bronsky » 19 Apr 2006 15:45

Erich wrote:that was for Clostermanns long career if true.
IIRC most, if not all, of Clostermann's locomotive score consisted of attacks made while flying his Tempest, in which case we're talking of a "long career" of maybe 4 months. Anyway, I wasn't trying to put down the German aces achievements - plus there should be more German locomotives to target near the Ruhr, where 122 Wing was based, than in Russia - just trying to put these numbers in perspective as I'm not aware of other anti-locomotive aces' scores.

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Post by Erich » 19 Apr 2006 15:49

tue there was condinement in the Reich, as the expanses of the Great lands of the Soviet Union were so vast a single engine did not have the fuel reserves to take on this type of work.....

I have been doing some serious work-research I first started posting on this thread for US loco kills. Seems the P-38 was rated quite highly over the P-51 in regard to destroying locos/trains.

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Post by Erich » 19 Apr 2006 15:54

heres a tidbit, US 8th AF 20th fg had 400 locos destroyed
US 9th AF P-47 group the 368th fg had 700 locos destroyed with 213 damaged

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Post by Bronsky » 20 Apr 2006 07:33

Erich wrote:heres a tidbit, US 8th AF 20th fg had 400 locos destroyed
US 9th AF P-47 group the 368th fg had 700 locos destroyed with 213 damaged
Thanks for the information, that's interesting, over approximately what period were those results achieved ?

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