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Awards and Decorations of Konteradmiral Wassner

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 09 Oct 2017 18:19

Ok, to finish with Konteradmiral Wassner I want to check the Awards of his medal bar.

Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
Ritterkreuz des Königlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern
Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande
Verdienstmedaille für Rettung aus Gefahr (Oldenburg)
Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischen Hausordens mit Schwertern
Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
??? (looks like a cross)
??? (last round medal on the second photo?)

Other awards:
Pour le Mérite am 5. März 1918
Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
U-Boot-Kriegsabzeichen (1918)
Orden der Sonne von Peru (Großoffizier?)

The third photo is his ribbon bar...
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Re: Awards and Decorations of Konteradmiral Wassner

Postby Dave Danner » 09 Oct 2017 20:28

There is no Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer in the first photograph. That picture is pre-1934. The last two crosses are the Flandernkreuz („Ehren- und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern“) and what appears to be a Spanish Cruz del Mérito Militar con distintivo rojo, but may be a similar-looking award. There is not enough detail to tell.

The second photograph is post-1934. The medal bar precedence is changed according to Third-Reich era regulations. The lifesaving medals come after the war decorations, including the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer, and the Flandernkreuz, as an unofficial award, is gone. I have no idea what the final medal is, but given its position, it is non-German.

The Peruvian Order is a Commander's Cross. The Grand Cross is worn on a sash.

Although there are exceptions, the standard grades of an order of knighthood are:

• Grand Cross: badge on a sash, with a breast star
• Grand Commander/Grand Officer: neck badge and breast star
• Commander: neck badge
• Officer: breast badge on a ribbon, often gilt/enamel and/or with a rosette on the ribbon
• Knight: breast badge on a ribbon, typically silver/enamel

For German orders, the Officer grade was often called a "Knight 1st Class" and the Knight grade a "Knight 2nd Class". The Grand Commander/Commander grades were often called a "Commander 1st Class" and Commander 2nd Class". Foreign orders usually followed the patterns above, basically based on the French and British systems. There were many exceptions. The main Prussian orders, the Roter-Adlerorden and the Kronenorden, followed a different pattern. Several Japanese orders had more than 5 classes. Many Portuguese and Spanish orders had fewer than 5 classes. Some German orders had a pinback cross called an Offizierkreuz or Ehrenkreuz which usually ranked just below the Komturkreuz.

German references usually abbreviated these orders in one of two ways:

• xx1, xx2a, xx2b, xx3a, xx3b - this was common for German orders
• xx1, xx2, xx3, xx4, xx5 - this was common for non-German orders.

Below is an example page from the 1914 Prussian Army rank list, showing some of the variations:

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Re: Awards and Decorations of Konteradmiral Wassner

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 09 Oct 2017 20:50

Thank you very much Dave!
Regarding the Cruz del Mérito Militar con distintivo rojo, it does look like it, however, this award has a crown (Wassner's has an eagle?) and the middle circle is different then Wassner's award (the circle on his award is all white).
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Unknown Award of Vizeadmiral Max Looff

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Oct 2017 16:15

What's this award of Vizeadmiral Max Looff?
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Re: Unknown Award of Vizeadmiral Max Looff

Postby VtwinVince » 12 Oct 2017 16:35

Looks like a Navy Wound Badge.

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Re: Unknown Award of Vizeadmiral Max Looff

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Oct 2017 16:49

VtwinVince wrote:Looks like a Navy Wound Badge.

I agree, but what class? Black, Silver or Gold?

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Re: Unknown Awards and Decorations (Medals)

Postby Dave Danner » 12 Oct 2017 23:44

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Thank you very much Dave!
Regarding the Cruz del Mérito Militar con distintivo rojo, it does look like it, however, this award has a crown (Wassner's has an eagle?) and the middle circle is different then Wassner's award (the circle on his award is all white).

It could be a Red Cross decoration from some country. It somewhat resembles the Cuban Red Cross decoration, although Cuban awards are uncommon among German officers.

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AOSA Prof. Dr. med. Alfred Fikentscher: Unknown Awards

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 14 Oct 2017 20:00

What is this award?
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Re: AOSA Prof. Dr. med. Alfred Fikentscher: Unknown Awards

Postby luftk » 15 Oct 2017 16:08

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:What is this award?

German Red Cross

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Re: AOSA Prof. Dr. med. Alfred Fikentscher: Unknown Awards

Postby VtwinVince » 15 Oct 2017 19:02

I agree, Red Cross or Volkspflege.

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Re: Awards and Decorations of Konteradmiral Wassner

Postby Requin Marteau » 16 Oct 2017 08:51

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Thank you very much Dave!
Regarding the Cruz del Mérito Militar con distintivo rojo, it does look like it, however, this award has a crown (Wassner's has an eagle?) and the middle circle is different then Wassner's award (the circle on his award is all white).
Bonjour,
It's a Portuguese Red Cross for Merit Decoartion (officer class).

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Unknown Awards of Admiral von Fischel

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Oct 2017 16:33

Is this a Schlesischer Adler-Orden 1. Stufe that Admiral von Fischel is wearing?
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Re: Unknown Awards and Decorations (Medals)

Postby graveland » 17 Oct 2017 18:25

Yep!

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Re: Unknown Awards and Decorations (Medals)

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Oct 2017 18:29

graveland wrote:Yep!

Great, and what about this award (circled)?
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Re: Unknown Awards and Decorations (Medals)

Postby Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Oct 2017 18:44

I think it is a green sash, perhaps it is the Kommandeurs-Bruststern des Kgl. Spanisch-Marrokanisches Mehdauia-Orden?
Green sash with a white stripe in the middle?
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