Major von der Groeben /Kav.Ers.Abt. 100

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Major von der Groeben /Kav.Ers.Abt. 100

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 30 May 2006, 10:50

I am trying to gather infos about the last Kdr. of my "Stolper home's" unit , their last battle was around Pyritz together wigt the Pz.Div. "Holstein" ( an account about that could be found in Christian Graf von Krockows Memoirs ) .

Largest problem is that I have still no first name and that there are so many von der Groebens in German Army traditionally 8O

So the first trace I have so far is that he was an Oberleutnant in KavRgt. 17 in 1939 ( 1. Schwadron ) .

Now I found a Rittmeister von der Groeben in KradschtzAbt. 4 in 1942 , first as Chef 4. Schwadron , then as Kdr. of this Abt.

Could this be my man ?

Desperatly seeking for help in this case :wink:

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 30 May 2006, 11:11

OK , this Rittmeister of Kradschütz.Abt. 4 we could forget , he fell in the Battle of Stalingrad and was succeeded by Rittmeister von Langenn-Steinkeller....


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Post by jmark » 02 Jun 2006, 06:33

Hi Jan-Hendrik,

I've got some information which might be helpful. As you know, the name "von der Groeben" is quite a common noble name, so you've got a difficult task. Anyway, the following lists comes from the book "Gedenkbuch des deutschen Adels", 1967 C.A.Starke Verlag, Limburg/Lahn, pages 112-113.

Hopefully these help your search.

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Post by jmark » 02 Jun 2006, 06:42

One more thing...

I just checked "Rangliste des Heeres 1944/45" and it says that "von der Groeben" from Kav.Rgt. 17 was promoted to Major with RDA 01.02.1943 (41).

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 02 Jun 2006, 09:05

Thank you for this great input ! But after a quick overview about thos von der Groebens I come to the next problem : no one of those seems to fit with "my" one :(

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Post by jmark » 02 Jun 2006, 09:14

What a shame 'your' von der Groeben is not there.

Based on my previous use of this Gedenkbuch, it seems to be very comprehensive and accurate concerning the names of the nobility who died during the war, so it would be safe to assume that your Major v.d. Groeben survived the war.

Look on the bright side: at least you have been able to eliminate quite a few von der Groebens from your search! ;-)

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 02 Jun 2006, 09:58

Yeah , you are absolutly right . So I can be sure that Major von der Groeben reached Danmark together with the rest of his Ers.Abt. !

Don't think this unit had many survivors ...

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 07 Feb 2007, 10:26

*push*

The seeked person is Helmuth von der Groeben !

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 02 Oct 2016, 10:55

*push*

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Major Helmuth von der Groeben (1906-?)

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Post by askropp » 02 Oct 2016, 15:53

xx.xx.193x Oberleutnant mit RDA vom 01.10.1936 (170)
01.03.1940 Rittmeister (159)
01.02.1943 Major (41)

in Stellenbesetzung of:
10.11.1938 in der 1. / Kavallerieregiment 17 (Bamberg)
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Post by Rossano » 03 Oct 2016, 11:46

Hello
Helmut (Scherzer), Hellmuth (Hans) or Helmuth (Trauerannoncen.....) v. d. Groeben ???
What 100% correct ? Has somebody his Personalakte ?
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Post by Rossano » 17 Oct 2016, 19:30

pls. push
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Post by stevebecker » 16 Nov 2019, 01:57

Mates,

I found this but again no first name for this officer?

Groeben von der Capt Cav Yüzbasi von der Groeben 1917-1918 Yildirim ordularinda g örevli süvari (The groomed cavalryman in the Yildirim army)

Shown as Capt, that could be an Ottoman rank making him a rank lower in the German Army?

A Cavalry Officer are they the same men?

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