Unknown officers named "von Oertzen"

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Unknown officers named "von Oertzen"

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 23 Dec 2006, 21:23

Dear Gentlemen ,
due to a private request regarding the Wehrkreis II I came across an Oberstleutnant von Oertzen leading the "Wehrkreisunterführerlehrgang" in Neustettin in Jaunary 1945.
Also I found an Oberst von Oertzen as Kdr. of IR 522 in April 1945 .
Is the same person ? Who can provide more on his/their career ?

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » 24 Dec 2006, 00:28

Hello Jan-Hendrik!
You have two (Heer) von Oertzen's that recieved the DKiG...
Arthur von Oertzen recieved the DKiG on 30.05.1942 as a Major commanding AA 269
Wilhelm von Oertzen recieved the DKiG on 14.02.1942 as a Major commanding III./IR 48
Source: Horst Scheibert "Die Träger des deutschen Kreuzes in Gold - Das Heer"
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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 24 Dec 2006, 01:26

Dear Comrade le Krospell , as I got it via E-Mail after putting this on AHF it was Wilhelm who was Kdr. of this Unterführer-Lehrgang !
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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 24 Dec 2006, 10:59

And its Gren.Ers.Rgt. 522 of Ausbildungsdivision 402 ...not IR 522 .

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 02 Jan 2007, 12:49

I have found a Major z.V. von Oertzen as Ia of 207.ID on 10.8.1940 at Keilig . The same person ?

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 14 Mar 2007, 14:53

In the Stellenbesetzung of 207. SichDiv. which could be found in
Die Geschichte der 207. und 281. Sicherungs-Division mit ihren Zwischengliederungen 1939 - 1945
Mueller/Guttmann, Selbstverlag, 1958, 283 pages
he is listed as Ia for the 21.6.1941, too ...
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Oberst Wilhelm von Oertzen

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Post by askropp » 14 Oct 2016, 16:25

xx.xx.193x Hauptmann mit RDA vom 01.02.1934 (66)
01.04.1939 Major (41)
01.02.1942 Oberstleutnant (186)
01.01.1944 Oberst (7)

in Stellenbesetzung of:
01.02.1935 im Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
15.10.1935 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
07.10.1936 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
12.10.1937 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 74 (Bergen)
10.11.1938 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 74 (Hameln)
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Re: Oberst/OTL von Oertzen

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 17 Oct 2016, 11:56

Thank you!!

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Re: Oberst Wilhelm von Oertzen

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Post by Dave Danner » 06 Jan 2018, 11:22

askropp wrote:xx.xx.193x Hauptmann mit RDA vom 01.02.1934 (66)
01.04.1939 Major (41)
01.02.1942 Oberstleutnant (186)
01.01.1944 Oberst (7)

in Stellenbesetzung of:
01.02.1935 im Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
15.10.1935 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
07.10.1936 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 27 (Rostock)
12.10.1937 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 74 (Bergen)
10.11.1938 Chef der 8. (MG) / Infanterieregiment 74 (Hameln)
This Wilhelm v. Oertzen is not the DKiG recipient. I have no idea if he is your Gren.Ers.Rgt. 522 commander, but it seems possible.

Oertzen, Wilhelm Hermann Georg Ludolf Fritz Rudolf Detlof v.
* 08.08.1895 in Ludwigslust
† 06.07.1959 in Osnabrück
Fideikommissherr auf Barsdorf

03.08.14 als Fahnenjunker i.d. UR 9 eingetreten
31.12.14 Fähnrich
22.03.15 Leutnant
05.02.17 Patent seines Dienstgrades v. 11.09.15 erhalten
01.04.17 z. FAR 34 kommandiert
22.07.17 z. Res. d. UR 9 übergeführt
30.09.17 z. Ers./UR 9 versetzt
10.09.18 z. Ers./RIR 2 kommandiert
01.12.18 entlassen
01.10.34 als Hauptmann (RDA 1.2.34) beim Halbregiment Rostock wieder angestellt
01.01.35 in das II./Infanterie-Regiment Rostock versetzt
01.04.39 Major
26.08.39 - 26.05.40 Kdr. II./IR 348
26.05.40 verwundet
27.05.40 - 15.02.41 Kdr. Inf.Ers.Btl. 348
16.02.41 - 14.03.41 Btls.Kdr. Inf.Ers.Rgt. 216
27.02.41 m.W.v. 13.02.41 Fhr.Res. OKH
25.03.41 z. St. d. AOK 12 kommandiert
21.06.41 m.W.v. 07.06.41 Fhr.Res. OKH, zuget. d. IR 216
19.07.41 m.W.v. 14.07.41 d. TÜP Grafenwöhr zugewiesen (Fhr. Ausb.St. d. Span.Div.)
31.08.41 m.W.v. 18.08.41 Fhr. Dtsch.Verb.St. zur Span.Div. (250.ID)
07.10.41 m.W.v. 24.09.41 z. IR 530 vers. (Kdr. III./IR 530)
30.11.41 - 28.12.41 Kdr. Inf.Ers.Rgt. 216
15.12.41 m.W.v. 29.12.41 z. IR 530 vers. unter gleichztg. Kdrg. z. Dtsch.Heeresmiss. i. Rumänien
01.02.42 Oberstleutnant
01.01.44 Oberst
16.03.44 Kdr. Wehrm. Ortskdtr. Konstanz
04.10.44 z. Gren.Ers.Abt. 348 versetzt
01.01.45 Fhr.Res. WKr.XI (z. Einarb. als Kdr. eines Wehrbezirks oder Gru.Ltr. I/II)

Auszeichnungen: EK2 (11.11.15), EK1 (3.7.21), MMV2 (8.3.16), JohE, FEK, WHDA4 (2.10.36), silb.Reit- u. Sportabz. (15.4.39), SpEK2 (7.6.40), SpEK1 (15.6.41), Ost (1.9.43), IStA (19.3.41), VA.Silber (7.7.40)

He may also have received Spanish and/or Romanian decorations.

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Re: Oberst/OTL von Oertzen

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Post by Dave Danner » 06 Jan 2018, 11:26

Another Wilhelm was Wilhelm Otto Sigismund Paul Helmuth Klemens Fritz v. Oertzen, * 17.8.1890 in Colmar im Elsass. He was a Leutnant d.R. in Füsilier-Regiment Nr. 90 and Oberleutnant d.R. a.D. According to the 1969 edition of Gotha, he was an Oberstleutnant d.R. in the Wehrmacht, but I have nothing further on him in World War 2.

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Re: Oberst Wilhelm von Oertzen

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Post by Rudolf44 » 06 Jan 2018, 19:14

Hello,
I can add
Dave Danner wrote:15.12.41 m.W.v. 29.12.41 z. IR 530 vers. unter gleichztg. Kdrg. z. Dtsch.Heeresmiss. i. Rumänien zur Verwendung als Ausbildungsoffizier für Infanterie
From 15.10.1942 Stellenbesetzung of Deutschen Heeresmission in Rumänien :
T501 R286.JPG
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Does anyone knows under which romanian unit this DVK was attached ?

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Re: Oberst/OTL von Oertzen

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Post by Rossano » 07 Jan 2018, 11:52

Hello Rudolf
I doubt that the DVK.160 was attached to a rumanian unit
The numbers 150 on were attached to hungarian units and those 161 on were attached to bulgarian units.
So maybe "160" wrong ? Maybe 106 correct ?
Will You kindly tell me from which roll the Stellenbes. of the DHM Rumänien comes ?
(by the way, if it is a "DVK" why it reads "DAK" ?)
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Re: Oberst/OTL von Oertzen

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Post by Rossano » 07 Jan 2018, 12:11

Hello Dave
To Your Wilhelm´s Dienstlaufbahn:
if he was wounded on 26.05.40 how could he become Kdr. IEB 348 already on 27.05.40 ?
Normally after being wounded the soldier was moved to an Ers.Btl. (for Kur, Lazarett).
So I believe that on 27.05.40 (until 15.02.41 ?) he was moved to IEB 348 not as Kdr. but for Kur.....
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Re: Oberst/OTL von Oertzen

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Post by iggy88 » 19 May 2019, 06:40

From the Tätigkeitsbericht of IIa/b of Deutsche Heeresmission in Rumänien for the month of Nov 1942.
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Re: Oberst / Oberstleutnant von Oertzen

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Post by askropp » 23 Mar 2020, 23:50

There was a whole lot of Oertzens, and the OKH clerks made many errors, so I'm still not sure who was who.

Apparently, both Oberst Wilhelm and Oberstleutnant d.R. Dietrich were in Romania, and both are alleged to have served with GEB 348.
One card claims Dietrich was ernannt "v. Kdr. GEB 348 z. Kdr. Unterf. Lehrg. II" on 01.04.1944, but he resurfaces in his old assignment in Romania two months later, so this seems to be wrong. Dietrich was apparently captured in Bucuresti, and if so, he cannot have been in WK II in 1945. Wilhelm may have been the Lehrgangskommandeur, but he was probably never Kdr GEB 348 (he was an Oberst!), but assigned to this unit while recuperating after his own return from Romania. My card says he wasn't Kdt von Konstanz (on the Bodensee), but of "Konstanza" (Constanta) on the Black Sea. In any case, 01.04.1944 seems to be too early for both Oertzens to have taken over the Unterführerlehrgang.
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