OK, I don't want to insist here. Of course it's not an "OdR-accepting-case", your are right. But if you don't see the structure which is implied here and if you are not interested in the case otherwise - no problem.
The structure which I mean and which we desperately want to explain to you is that you have an absolutely different understanding of what an "award
" is and what the meaning of "awarded
" is ! I tend to say your understanding is wrong, at least you have not explained so far how and why it could be correct.
You said :
...My point is that the ODR doesn't just "hand out" RK's to anyone who said they were awarded one. There has to be some proof that they did. And I for one accept the ODR's method of determination. ...
My argumentation is :
Scherzer has no "method of definition" you might say ; he is just wondering why 200+ men are listed as KC holders for 60 years now who don't fell into the official procederes of law, Verordnung, Heerespersonalamt and all that stuff ! Those who listed, you might say "awarded" them have to explain why !! Not Scherzer.
He is just pointing out their cases and as a conclusion is regarding them not as official recipients.
This is absolutely in the logic of 7000+ other recipients.
If there is or should be an "extra law" / a "lex may 1945" it is the same like above : is has to be explained by those people who want it ; it's not up to Scherzer.
If the discussion comes to this essential point you can talk about this varaint. I don't see this kind of argumentation so far.
OdR / Fellgiebel said : oh yes, there was a proposal ; bad luck, it did stuck in the bureaucracy or maybe the approval of a commander is lacking ; nevertheless, Yeah, we have a new member ; let's say : KC awarded "08.05.1945"
So, should we follow this "method of definition" ?
Is this the way of historical research you want to follow ?
Well, I don't ask you to give proofs or to provide a compilation for all the men of the page 1 "unofficial" list.
But, come on. Straight, clear, and with arguments - give us your comment on the oakleaves for Josef von Radowitz (to stay with the 23. Pz.Div) ; one example I picked out by chance.
Unofficial / Unconfirmed
1. Radowitz von, Joseph [882. EL] 09.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 23. Pz.Div
[proposal arrived at HPA on 30.04.1945 ; positive comments of all superiors ; rejected by Major Domaschk as not sufficient on 01.05.1945 with suggestion : "Entscheid Chef OKW" ; nothing to find in the files about such a decision ; messages to the headquarter units of R. on 02.05.1945 (Kav.Korps / Pz.AOK 2 / HGr Süd) : "...ist abgelehnt worden, da ... die vom Führer gegebenen Verleihungsrichtlinien nicht erfüllt sind. I.A. gez. Maisel" ; # "882" given by OdR and award date determined by Fellgiebel]
Why are you of the opinion that he was "awarded" when a radio message was sent that the proposal was rejected ?