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Re: cancelled KC holders / state of the science / KC lists

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Post by Peter » 17 Jul 2017, 15:55

I believe that Scherzer completed a huge task and that it needed doing.

I have been trying to do some analysis of the 232 men named at the start of this thread using the brief data he supplied, to understand the different situations because there are many variations within the 232 which were listed.

There appear to be several distinct categories which Scherzer has not made specifically clear and I believe that it is important that some clear groupings are made.

These 11 men who were awarded the RK but were later removed from the listing due to the 20th July 1944 plot investigations - they were however awarded the RK,

50) Fromm, Friedrich 06.07.1940 Gen d Art Chef HRüst und BdE [20. Juli 1944]
74) Heistermann von Ziehlberg, Gustav 27.07.1944 Genlt Kdr 28. Jäg.Div [20. Juli 1944]
76) Herfurth, Otto 14.09.1942 Oberst Kdr Inf.Rgt 117 [20. Juli 1944]
81) Hoepner, Erich 27.10.1939 Gen d Kav K.G. XVI. AK [1942 and 20. Juli 1944]
92) Hößlin von, Roland 23.07.1942 Hauptmann Fhr Pz.AA 33 [20. Juli 1944]
96) Jäger, Fritz 26.05.1940 Major Kdr II./Inf.Rgt 8 [20. Juli 1944]
126) Lindemann, Fritz 04.09.1941 Oberst z.V. Arko 138 [20. Juli 1944]
148) Olbricht, Friedrich 27.10.1939 Generalleutnant Kdr 24. Inf.Div [20. Juli 1944]
202) Stülpnagel von, Carl-Heinrich 21.08.1941 Gen d Inf OB 17. Armee [20. Juli 1944]
208) Thüngen Frhr von, Karl 06.04.1943 Generalleutnant Kdr 18. Pz.Div [20. Juli 1944]
228) Witzleben von, Erwin 24.06.1940 GenO OB 1. Armee [20. Juli 1944]


There are 2 awards actually approved by Hitler, one being Scherhorn (see a post above here) which was awarded based on successful Russian Intelligence misinformation (recipient in Russian captivity) and the other was a posthumous award which was placed on hold until there was information of the fate of the recipient. On his return to Germany Scherhorn refused to accept the RK.

175) Scherhorn, Heinrich 23.03.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Sich.Rgt 36
87) Hollermeier, Josef 09.05.1945 Major d.R. Führer Gren.Rgt 1213


Award document located post-war in Federal Defence Ministry archives:

26) Burgemeister, Alfred 02.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Gren.Rgt 524


It appears to me that 42 award recommendations (with positive forwarding) are documented in the official awards process ledgers and files and can be viewed in the archives today:

5) Baier, Joseph 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Gren.Rgt 36
11) Bayer, Franz 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Chef i. d. III./Pz.Rgt „GD“
19) Bork, Max 11.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 47. Volks-Gren-Div
40) Fabich, Maximilian 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Pz.Korps-Füs.Rgt „GD“
53) Gehl, Paul 09.05.1945 Oberleutnant d.R. Führer I./Gren.Rgt 453
59) Gräser, Fritz-Hubert SW 08.05.1945 Gen d PzTruppe OB 4. Panzer.Armee
63) Hack, Franz EL 18.04.1945 SS-Obersturmbannfhr Kdr SS-PGR 10 „Westland“
67) Harttrumpf, Paul 08.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 1./Gren.Rgt 12
68) Harzenetter, Johann 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr II./Gren.Rgt 331
77) Hesse, Rudolf 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 2./Gren.Rgt 165
84) Hofmann, Paul 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 6./Gren.Rgt 352
88) Hollmann, Ernst 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr II./Gren.Rgt 1221
89) Hoppe, Hans 08.05.1945 Major Kdr II./Flak-Rgt (mot) 46
91) Hönniger, Theodor 09.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Zugführer i. d. 3./Pz.Rgt 25
94) Jaquet, Fritz 09.05.1945 Leutnant Adjutant I./Gren.Rgt 62
98) Jungwirt, Hans 09.05.1945 Major Kdr Fsch-Aufkl.Abt 12
110) Kordemann, Martin 11.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Zugführer i. d. 6./Gren.Rgt 577
113) Kuchar, Jakob 11.05.1945 Gefreiter Schütze 1 i. d. 8./Jäg.Rgt 228
118) Laupenmühlen, Oskar 09.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Führer 7./Gren.Rgt 399
120) Lennartz, Hans 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Fhr Alarm-Btl Kolberg [in Köslin]
129) Lippelt, Rudolf 09.05.1945 Major Kdr II./Art.Rgt 371
131) Lohmann, Hanns-Heinrich 09.05.1945 EL SS-Ostbaf Fhr SS-Frw-PGR 49
138) Meier, Hans EL 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr I./Pz.Gren.Rgt 74
139) Meindl, Eugen SW 08.05.1945 Gen d FschTr K.G. II. Fsch.Korps
141) Meyer, Friedrich-August 09.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Fsch.Pz.Ers. u Ausb.Brig „HG“
157) Radochla, Helmut 09.05.1945 Leutnant Zugfhr i. d. 2./Fest.Inf.Btl XXIII./999
164) Richter, Friedrich 11.05.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Kdr III./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 21
172) Schaten, Heinrich 09.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Zugführer i. d. 6./Gren.Rgt 1
180) Schmude, Ernst-Friedrich 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Führer II./Gren.Rgt 732
183) Scholz, Karl 09.05.1945 Leutnant d.R. Führer 14./Gren.Rgt 4
187) Schwanitz, Joachim 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Führer II./Gren.Rgt 3
194) Spengler, Fritz 06.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr I./Gren.Rgt 289
201) Strobl, Heinrich 09.05.1945 Lt Streifkorpsfhr/ Frontaufkl.-Kdo 202
203) Stützle, Nepomuk 08.05.1945 Obergefreiter i. d. Pz.Jäg.Abt „GD“
207) Thiessen, Hans 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 2./Heeres-Flak.Art.Abt „GD“
218) Walle, Gustav 08.05.1945 Major Kdr Pz.Jäg.Abt „GD“
219) Walter, Helmut 09.05.1945 Hptm Btl.Fhr i.d. Feld-Uffz-Schule Dahlhausen
221) Wecker, Franz 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Jäg.Rgt 734
223) Weiler, Bruno 09.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Ski-Jäg.Rgt 1
231) Zoppoth, Gerhard 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 6./Gren.Rgt 732
232) Zurin, Alfred 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 3./Gren.Rgt 189
142) Montag, Alfred EL 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Fhr Stug.Brig 341

Another 54 award recommendations were in the early stages of the administrative system but are documented in the archives :

3) Ax, Adolf 09.05.1945 SS-Oberführer Fhr 15. Waffen-Gren.Div der SS (lett. Nr. 1)
4) Bachor, Willy 11.05.1945 Oberwachtmeister Zugführer i. d. 12./Pz.Rgt 24
6) Baldes, Josef 08.05.1945 Fhj-Ofw Flugzeugführer i. d. 1.(F)/Aufkl.Grp 124
12) Behre, Friedrich 09.05.1945 Leutnant KpFhr im I./Fsch-Pz.Gren.Rgt 1 „HG“
14) Berzen, August 09.05.1945 Uffz i. d. Festung-Pak-Kp 13/X [bei 180.ID]
15) Biehler, Ernst 09.05.1945 Generalmajor Kdt Festung Frankfurt/Oder
20) Botsch, Walter 09.05.1945 Generalleutnant K.G. LIII. Armee.Korps
22) Bremermann, Oskar 09.05.1945 Feldwebel Zugführer i. d. 6./Gren.Rgt 209
30) Dennhardt, Oskar-Hubert EL 09.05.1945 Major Führer Gren.Rgt 1143
33) Dombacher, Kurt 08.04.1945 Leutnant Flugzeugführer i. d. 1./J.G. 51 „Mölders“
34) Draxenberger, Sepp 17.04.1945 SS-Hauptscharfhr Pi.Zugfhr i.d. StabsKp/SS-PR 5
44) Fiebig, Heinz 08.05.1945 Generalmajor Kdr 84. Inf.Div
46) Fleischer, Rudolf 09.05.1945 Major Kdr Heeres-Flak.Art.Abt 314
47) Flocke, Paul 30.04.1945 Leutnant Führer 5./Gren.Rgt 915
48) Florschütz, Wilhelm 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr I./Volks-Pi.Brig (mot) 47
51) Gaigals, Roberts 05.05.1945 Waffen-Ostuf Fhr 6./W-GR d SS 42
55) Gersteuer, Günter 28.04.1945 Major Kdr Fsch-Stug.Brig 12
56) Göller, Siegwart 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr II./Geb.Jäg.Rgt 98
58) Graßmel, Franz EL 08.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 20
61) Grosan, Erhard 28.04.1945 Oberst Kdr Kgr Grosan / Armeegruppe Blumentritt
72) Havik, Hans 09.05.1945 SS-Untersturmführer Zugfhr i. d. 1./SS-Pol-Pz.Abt 4
73) Heiland, Hans 09.05.1945 Leutnant Führer 5./Pz.Gren.Rgt 126
80) Hobe von, Cord 09.05.1945 Otl. Kdr einer Kgr des XIII. SS-Armee.Korps
83) Hoffmann, Ludwig 11.05.1945 SS-Hstuf. Fhr III./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 23 „Norge“
86) Hohmeier, Heinrich 09.05.1945 Feldwebel Zugführer i. d. StabsKp/Gren.Rgt 994
99) Jürgens, Heinz 09.05.1945 SS-Hauptsturmführer Kdr SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt 4
105) Kliemann, Nikodemus 09.05.1945 Oberst d.R. Kdr Gren.Rgt 410
111) Körner, Walter 29.04.1945 SS-Hauptsturmfhr Adjutant SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 23 „Norge“
115) Laebe, Heinz-Oskar EL 29.04.1945 Oberst Kdr Gren.Rgt 44
132) Lorfing, Artur 09.05.1945 Obergefreiter i. d. 1./Gren.Rgt 956
133) Lotze, Heinz 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Fhr Alarm-Btl / Kgr Grosan
143) Morche, Max 09.05.1945 Gefreiter i. d. 14./Gren.Rgt 101
146) Nohr, Karl 09.05.1945 Unteroffizier Gruppenfhr i. d. StabsKp/Gren.Rgt 453
147) Nuhn, Heinrich 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr Pz.Pi.Btl 124 [Führer-Gren-Div]
155) Plocher, Hermann EL 08.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 6. Fsch.Jäg.Div
156) Prien, Peter 09.05.1945 Oberleutnant d.R. Fhr StabsKp/Pz.Rgt 3
159) Radziej, Georg 09.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 169. Inf.Div
160) Rebane, Alfons EL 09.05.1945 W-Standartenfhr Kdr Waffen-Gren.Rgt der SS 46
169) Roge, Alfred 09.05.1945 SS-Ostuf Fhr 1./SS-Rgt Besslein i. d. Festung Breslau
173) Schäfer, Karl 16.04.1945 Oberfeldwebel Flugzeugfhr i. d. 14.(Eis)/K.G. 55
174) Scheibe, Siegfried 11.05.1945 SS-Ostubaf Kdr SS-Frw-PGR 48
176) Schiemann, Gustav 09.05.1945 Major d.R. Kdr FEB 346
177) Schlags-Koch, Walter EL 09.05.1945 Otl. d.R. Kdr Sturm-Rgt AOK 2
178) Schmidt, Erich EL 09.05.1945 Major Kdr Führer-Pz.Rgt 2
182) Schnocks, Herbert 08.05.1945 Hauptmann Btl-Kdr im Gren.Rgt 317
185) Schulz-Streeck, Karlheinz 09.05.1945 SS-Stubaf d.R. Kdr SS-Stug.Abt 11
186) Schütz, Erwin 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr II./Gren.Rgt 1127
190) Senbergs, Karlis 11.05.1945 W-Uschaf Grpfhr i.e. Alarmeinheit d 19.W-Gren.Div
191) Sensfuß, Franz EL 09.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 212. Inf.Div
192) Siegroth von, Joachim EL 09.05.1945 Generalmajor Kdr 712. Inf.Div
196) Stahl, Paul Dr. EL 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant d.R. Kdr Gren.Rgt 114
200) Störck, Georg EL 09.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr I./Pz.Gren.Rgt / Führer-Begl-Div
210) Turnwald, Hans 08.05.1945 Leutnant d.R. Fhr Jagd-Pz-Kp 1015
230) Wulff, Erich 09.05.1945 Major i.G. Ia 15. Waffen-Gren.Div der SS


There are 15 award recommendations in the awards process ledgers which appear to have been refused/disapproved in wartime:

2) Amsberg von, Joachim 09.05.1945 Oberst i.G. Kdr Gren.Rgt 502
79) Hitzfeld, Otto SW 09.05.1945 Gen d Inf K.G. LXVII Armee.Korps
85) Hohenhausen und Hochhaus Frhr von, Oskar 11.05.1945 Otl Kdr Pz.Gren.Rgt 9
108) Koehler, Walter 11.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Zugfhr i. d. 3./s.Heeres-Pz.Jäg.Abt 525
109) Koj, Ewald 09.05.1945 Hauptmann Chef 3.(Geb)/Art.Rgt 8
116) Landau, Christian-Johannes 09.05.1945 Generalmajor Kdr 176. Inf.Div
158) Radowitz von, Joseph EL 09.05.1945 Generalleutnant Kdr 23. Pz.Div
162) Reinholds, Voldemars 11.05.1945 W-Sturmbannführer Kdr W-Gren.Rgt der SS 43
165) Riedel, Gerd 08.05.1945 Oberst i.G. Führer Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 7
167) Rodemich, Heinrich 11.05.1945 Feldwebel Zugführer i. d. 7./Gren.Rgt 988
181) Schnappauf, Georg 09.05.1945 Major Kdr Führer-Pz.Rgt 1
193) Singer, Herbert 05.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr II./Füs.Rgt 22
206) Thieme, Karl SW 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Pz.Gren.Rgt 110
134) Lüttwitz Frhr von, Heinrich SW 09.05.1945 Gen d PzTr K.G. XXXXVII. Pz.Korps
127) Lindenau, Daniel 10.02.1945 Otl. i.G. Chef des Stabes IX. SS-Geb.Korps


Another 5 award recommendations had apparently been refused/disapproved in wartime and alternative awards recommended or granted in their place:

23) Bremm, Josef SW 09.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Gren.Rgt 990
45) Fischer, Alfred 11.05.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Kdr II./SS-Pz.Art.Rgt 11
62) Groth, Heinz 09.05.1945 Major d.R. IIa 1.Volks-Geb.Div u Fhr Geb.Jäg.Rgt 98
75) Hengstler, Richard 28.04.1945 Hauptmann Chef 1./Fsch-Stug.Brig 12
197) Starl, Matthias 01.06.1945 Hauptmann Kdr I./Geb.Jäg.Rgt 98


51 men were accepted by the O.d.R, although their details could not be found in the archives examined by Scherzer, and even Fellgiebel himself (on behalf of the O.d.R.) noted 3 as "authorization to approve the award was not present", "clearly dubious" or he noted method of approval as "nonsense".

9) Bauer, Ludwig 29.04.1945 Leutnant Führer 1./Pz.Rgt 33
10) Baurmann, Heinz 04.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr Heeres-Stu.Art.Brig 300 (Feld)
17) Blanc von, Adalbert EL 10.05.1945 Fregattenkapitän Fhr der 9. Sicherungs-Div
18) Blond, Friedrich 28.04.1945 SS-Ustuf Fhr 12./SS-Pz.Gren.A.u.E.Btl 1 „LSSAH“
21) Brandner, Josef EL 26.04.1945 Major Kdr Stug.Brig 912
24) Bretz, Hans 06.05.1945 OFähnr Zugfhr i. d. Pz.Vernichtungs-Brig „Oberschlesien“
28) Büttner, Manfred 29.04.1945 Fhj-Ofw Führer 2./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 26
29) Decker, Karl SW 26.04.1945 General der Panzertruppe K.G. XXXIX. Pz.Korps
31) Deutsch, Ferdinand 06.05.1945 Olt d.R. Führer einer Kampfgruppe
37) Egger, Paul 28.04.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Zugfhr i. d. 1./s.SS-Pz.Abt 502
38) Einem von, Hans-Egon 11.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Pz.Gren.Rgt 21
39) Eisgruber, Karl 01.06.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Geb.Jäg.Rgt 98
54) Gerlach, Karl 03.05.1945 Oberleutnant Chef 4./Pz.Rgt 35
57) Golz, Herbert 03.05.1945 SS-Staf. u O d Schupo Chef GenSt X. SS-AK u Fhr e Kgr
64) Hampel, Desiderius 03.05.1945 SS-Brig.Fhr Kdr Kgr 13. Waffen-GD „Handschar“
65) Hanke, Hans 03.05.1945 SS-Obersturmbannfhr Kdr Waffen-GJR der SS 28
66) Hartrampf, Kurt 28.04.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Kdr s.SS-Pz.Abt 502
69) Hasenpusch, Rudolf 27.04.1945 Leutnant Führer Brücken-Kommando 16
70) Haukelt, Edgar 28.04.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Chef 1./SS-Jagd-Pz.Abt 561
82) Hoff, Carl 09.05.1945 Kapitänleutnant Chef 1. Räumbott-Flotille
90) Hölter, Hermann 03.05.1945 Generalleutnant Chef des Gen.Stabs 20. Geb.Armee
101) Kausch, Paul-Albert EL 23.04.1945 SS-Ostubf. Kdr SS-PR 11 „Hermann von Salza“
106) Knebel-Doeberitz von, Rudolf 11.05.1945 Major i.G. Ia 24. Pz.Div
123) Liecke, Karl 03.05.1945 SS-Ostubaf. u Otl der Schupo Kdr Waffen-GJR der SS 27
124) Lier, Friedrich EL 08.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr einer Kgr der 490. Inf.Div
128) Lindenblatt, Herbert 03.05.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Jäg.Rgt 750
130) Lobmeyer, Jakob 28.04.1945 SS-Hstuf. Kdr SS-Jagd-Pz.Abt 561 z.b.V.
135) Macher, Robert 14.05.1945 Generalmajor Chef des Stabes / AOK Ostpreußen
136) Matheja, Siegmund 06.05.1945 Uffz i. d. Pz.Haub.Abt / Führer-Gren.Div
140) Merks, Hans-Joachim 28.05.1945 Kapitänleutnant Chef 2. Räumboot-Flotille
144) Müller-Rochholz, Friedrich 08.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr Pz.Pi.Btl „Brandenburg“
145) Niehoff, Hermann SW 26.04.1945 Gen d Inf Kdr Fesuntg Breslau
150) Ott, Heinz 11.05.1945 Oberwachtmeister Zugführer i. d. 12./Pz.Rgt 24
152) Peschel, Georg 11.05.1945 Oberfeldwebel Zugführer i. d. 10./Jäg.Rgt 49
154) Platz, Hubert 11.05.1945 Major Kdr Pz.Art.Rgt 89
161) Reber, Gustav-Peter 28.04.1945 SS-Ostuf Kdt HQu XI.SS-Pz.K u Fhr e Pz.Jgd.Kdo
168) Roestel, Rudolf 03.05.1945 SS-Ostubaf d.R. Kdr SS-Pz.Häg.Abt 10 u Fhr DivGr 10
171) Sauter, Jordan 07.05.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr II./Rgt 1 „Theodor Körner“
188) Schweitzer, Willi 24.04.1945 SS-Stubaf Kdr Kgr Schweitzer
204) Tenschert, Günther 28.04.1945 Major Kdr II./Rgt Mohr i. d. Festung Breslau
205) Tessenow, Rudolf 11.05.1945 Wachtmeister i. d. 11./Pz.Rgt 24
211) Unrau, Heinz 01.05.1945 Major Kdr I./K.G. 51
214) Voigt, Hans 28.04.1945 Generalmajor Kampf-Kommandant Arnswalde
215) Vöglte, Helmut 01.06.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr II./Geb.Jäg.Rgt 99
216) Voshage, Werner 08.05.1945 Major Kdr Heeres-Flak.Art.Abt „Brandenburg“
224) Weinlig, Werner 10.05.1945 Kapitänleutnant Kdt „T 23“
226) Wilhelm, Paul 05.05.1945 Hfw Fhr e Alarm-Kp im Marsch-Btl 469
229) Woehl, Edmund 28.04.1945 Oberstleutnant Kdr Pz.Gren.Rgt 30
199) Stenwedel, Albert 03.05.1945 SS-Stubaf Kdr II./Waffen-Geb.Jäg.Rgt der SS 27
78) Heuer, Heinz 22.04.1945 Oberfeldwebel (Feldgendarm) i. d. Kgr z.b.V. Berlin 5
121) Leroy, Jaques 20.04.1945 SS-Untersturmführer Fhr 1./SS-Freiw-Gren.Rgt 69


5 awards granted late by Dönitz/Dönitz-Government:

25) Bröckerhoff, Wilhelm 08.05.1945 Major Fhr Pz.Art.Rgt „Brandenburg“
100) Kaminski, Werner 06.05.1945 Otl. i.G. Ia Festungs-Div „Kreta“
217) Wagener, Otto Dr. 05.05.1945 Generalmajor z.V. Kdt Ost-Ägaeis
7) Barge, Johannes 10.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Festungs-Gren.Rgt „Kreta“
13) Benthack, Hans-Georg 10.05.1945 Generalmajor Kdr Festungs-Division „Kreta“


1 award supported by a contemporary presentation ceremony photograph:

95) Jäckel, Karl 09.05.1945 Obersteuermann Steuermann U 907


6 Late awards granted "in the field" by Heidrich FJR (4), by C-in-C Kriegsmarine (1) and by C-in-C South Westphal (1)

213) Vitali, Viktor 30.04.1945 Leutnant Zugführer i. d. 5./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 4
220) Weck, Hans-Joachim 30.04.1945 Leutnant Führer 3./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 4
151) Pade, Gerhard 30.04.1945 Major Kdr I./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 4
179) Schmidt, Leonhard 30.04.1945 Hauptmann Btl.Fhr II./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 1
41) Feller, Wolfgang 17.06.1945 Olt z.S. d.R. Gruppenfhr i. d. 36. Minensuch-Flotille
42) Fernau, Hans-Georg 04.05.1945 Hauptmann Kdr I./Gren.Rgt (mot) „FHH“


2 suggested names only supported by documents which were classified as not-contemporary (or similar)

93) Hüttebräucker, Hermann 06.05.1945 Hptm Lehrer a.d. PzTr.Schule Milowitz
198) Steinke, Erhard 20.04.1945 Hauptmann Btl-Fhr i. d. 129. Inf.Div.


The 6. SS-Panzer-Armee "Dietrich awards" are interesting in that staff officer Hermann Buch supported the original listing used by von Seemen reportedly supplied by Dietrich but unavailable to view in archives. This listed names below and includes Seibold who was apparently on a first list recognized by Buch, but not on a second list, and also Hauser who was on a second list recognized by Buch, but not on the first list.

8) Bastian, Heinrich 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Fhr II./SS-PGR 3 „Deutschland“
35) Dreike, Franz-Joseph 06.05.1945 SS-Hauptsturmführer Kdr SS-Flak-Abt 2
52) Gebhard, ? 06.05.1945 SS-Oberscharführer Zugführer i. d. 2./SS-Pz.Pi.Btl 2
107) Koch, Alfred 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Kp-Fhr im II./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 3
112) Kreutz, Karl EL 06.05.1945 SS-Staf. Kdr SS-Pz.AR 2 zugl. Fhr 2. SS-Pz.Div
117) Lange, Günther 06.05.1945 SS-Sturmmann Grpfhr i. d. 16./SS-PGR 4 „Der Führer“
119) Lehmann, Rudolf EL 06.05.1945 SS-Staf. Führer 2. SS-Pz.Div „Das Reich“
137) Mattusch, Walter 06.05.1945 SS-Hstuf. Kdr II./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 3 „Deutschland“
149) Ostendorff, Werner EL 06.05.1945 SS-Gruf. Kdr 2. SS-Pz.Div „Das Reich“
166) Rieflin, Fritz 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Chef 2./SS-Pz.Pi.Btl 2
189) Seibold, Emil 06.05.1945 SS-Hauptscharführer Zugfhr i. d. 8./SS-Pz.Rgt 2
222) Weidinger, Otto SW 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmbannführer Kdr SS-PGR 4 „Der Führer“
225) Werner, Heinz EL 06.05.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Fhr III./SS-PGR 4 „Der Führer“
227) Wisliceny, Günther-Eberhard SW 06.05.1945 SS-Ostubaf. Kdr SS-PGR 3
71) Hauser, Hans 06.05.1945 SS-Stubaf. u Maj d Schupo Kdr I./SS-PGR 4 „Der Führer“


It is suggested that at a later date 8 further men were added by somebody and later listed as "Dietrich awards" by Fellgiebel although only 2 of the men were actually under Dietrich's command.

36) Drexler, Oskar 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmbannführer Kdr SS-Pz.Art.Rgt 12
153) Pitsch, Walter 06.05.1945 SS-Hauptscharführer Bttr-Fhr 4./SS-Flak.Art.Abt 1
195) Stadler, Sylvester SW 06.05.1945 SS-Oberführer Kdr 9. SS-Pz.Div „Hohenstaufen“
60) Gropp, Heinz 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmführer d.R. Fhr 2./SS-Flak-Abt 9
16) Bittrich, Wilhelm SW 06.05.1945 SS-Obergruppenführer K.G. II. SS-Pz.Korps
49) Fröhlich, Kurt 06.05.1945 SS-Hauptsturmführer Führer II./SS-Pz.Rgt 9
163) Rettberg, Rudolf 06.05.1945 SS-Sturmbannführer Kdr II./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 9
170) Sailer, Johann 06.05.1945 SS-Obersturmführer Fhr 3./SS-Pz.Jäg.Abt 9


Two final names were apparently added by somebody and later listed as "Dietrich awards" by Fellgiebel and again the men were not under Dietrich's command.

27) Bühler, Karl-Heinz SS-Obersturmbannführer Kdr SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 9 „Germania“
122) Lichte, Karl-Heinz 06.05.1945 SS-Hauptsturmführer Chef 5./SS-Pz.Rgt 5
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 17 Jul 2017, 19:13

Peter,

since the basic research of Veit Scherzer, the vexatious topic has certainly been settled. This fact should finally be acknowledged also in ABR! Everything else is a superfluous ghost debate and pure time-use!

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Post by askropp » 17 Jul 2017, 19:53

As a matter of fact [which is according to general rules of German Law] every judgement needs a request [here of relatives of the recipients e.g.] to the Staatsanwaltschaft to be eventually quashed.
I beg your pardon, but that is not true any longer. According to the Gesetz zur Aufhebung nationalsozialistischer Unrechtsurteile in der Strafrechtspflege from 1998, especially after the Änderungsgesetze from 2002 and 2009, an Einzelfallprüfung is no longer necessary. All politically motivated sentences of Nazi courts have summarily been revoked, declared unlawful and therefore void. In fact, because the creation of the Ehrenhof was politically motivated and unlawful in itself, it was never able to impose valid and legal sentences from the outset, so from a legal perspective, the heroes of 20 July never even lost their ranks and medals in the first place.
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Post by krichter33 » 18 Jul 2017, 02:28

Peter, I believe your list is very fascinating and much appreciated!!! Scherzer's work was substantial and important, but in the field of historical research if new information is obtained, then the matter is not "settled." This is definitely not a waste of time, and I really like how you broke down the list of cancelled RK winners. It is not a waste of time, or a ghost debate. It is very informative, and I appreciate it!

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Post by Minotauros » 25 May 2022, 09:16

Hello,


Peter wrote:
Barge, Johannes 10.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Festungs-Gren.Rgt „Kreta“
I can't find such a unit. To my knowledge Oberst Johannes "Hans" BARGE (*23.03.1906 Lage - †28.02.2000 Lage) was the commander of Grenadier-Regiment 746 (133.Festungs-Division).

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Post by Rossano » 25 May 2022, 09:58

Ciao
Peter' s data is correct
The 133.Fest.Div. was renamed in jan. 45 Fest.Div. Kreta and the GR.746 already before Fest.GR. Kreta
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Post by Stauffenberg II » 01 Nov 2022, 10:02

Dear all, I am proud owner of the 3rd edition of Scherzer. On p. 73 there is a note that the "Gutachten" (assessment report) re the invalidity of awards after May 8th, 1945 by WASt/Mr. Bernd Gericke is included in full wording in the attachment (Anhang).

However I can not find this report in the attachment. Is it missing in 3rd edition and maybe available in the 1st or 2nd edition? Is anybody willing to share in this case?

Jürgen

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