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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by chris44 » 14 Aug 2009 21:15

there are two more names.. no officers... on the plate
KIA more or less on the same day and same place
as Eberhard Hoffmann

maybe this helps?

Nachname: Matzel
Vorname: Joachim Hans
Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier
Geburtsdatum: 15.08.1915
Geburtsort: Scharley
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 19.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: b.Lowcza

Joachim Hans Matzel ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Mlawka (Polen) .
Endgrablage: Block E Grab 54


Nachname: Dubrow
Vorname: Rudi
Dienstgrad: Oberschütze
Geburtsdatum: 28.08.1915
Geburtsort: Oranienburg
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 18.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Lowcza

Rudi Dubrow ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Mlawka (Polen) .
Endgrablage: Block E Grab 53

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 14 Aug 2009 21:27

And Volksbund states:

Nachname: Hoffmann
Vorname: Eberhard
Dienstgrad: Oberleutnant
Geburtsdatum: 04.01.1914
Geburtsort: Berlin-Tempelhof
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 18.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: b.Lowcza


Complicated case. What do you think? The same person or not? Maybe Volksbund lists the same Hoffmann as this obituary (and he was serving in Pz.Lehr.Abt.), while H.Gru.Nord lists another man - Hofmann - from Pz.Rgt.5?

Or 6. company of Pz.Lehr.Abt. was subordinated to Pz.Rgt.5 (but then we should check if it fought near Lowcza)?

Anyway - we must check which of these two units was fighting near Lowcza on 18.09.1939.
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Bernd R » 14 Aug 2009 21:30

...took a bit time, sorry, read the below, I think it is clear.

Yes, it is the already listed
Hofmann (od. gem. VB Hoffmann) Eberhard, 04.01.1914, Oblt., Pz. R. 5, [3. Pz. Div.], 18.09.1939, VB, H. Gru. Nord


I always tend to forget this and it is confusing really with the early Panzer-Lehr. Looked up again to be sure and here is the story / lineage :

Per 7 July 1939 the Panzer-Lehr-Regiment was formed with
Stab
Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung
Panzerabwehr-Lehr-Abteilung
II.(mot.)/Infanterie-Lehr-Regiment Döberitz

source: Ritgen, Panzertruppenschulen , page 13
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:tMIDWLBMMA8J:forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D4247+Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung+%2BPolen&cd=5&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Gen. Guderian wanted to have the Lehr units gaining combat experience. Therefore in Poland the verstärkte Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung was assigned to the 3. Pz.Div., more precisely as III. Abteilung / Pz.Rgt. 5 . Sometimes it is listed just with the XIX. AK.
So, the unit designation 6./Pz-Lehr-Rgt is to read : = Pz.-Lehr-Abt. , in Poland = part of Pz.Rgt. 5, resp. 3. Pz.Div.
(for completion : Aufkl-Lehr-Abt. = ALA was separate/independent ; texts within this thread)

Additionally I quote all about the both ! - Abt. and Rgt. - Lehr units from the "Schulen der Wehrmacht Kdre" sticky :
- of note : Oberst Conze took over command of Pz.Rgt. 5

Kraftfahr- Lehr- und Versuchs-Abteilung (* 25.01.1936)
divided into (01.04.1937)
Kraftfahrkampftruppen-Versuchs-Abt and
Kraftfahrkampftruppen-Lehr-Abt
Kdr
06.10.1936 – 12.10.1937 Maj Erich Fronhöfer

redesignated on 01.10.1937 (Cambrai-Kaserne) :
Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung , Wünsdorf (Teltow)
Kdr
??

? – 01.03.1940 Maj Werner von Lewinski (At the same time, delegated with the leadership of Pz.Rgt. 6 – 04.09.1939 – 00.00.1939)
04.09.1939 – 00.00.1939 - Maj Schaefer [m.d.F.b.]

during the Polish Campaign within the structure of 3. Pz.Div. :
Chef ?? Kp.
? - ? Hptm Edler von der Planitz (Offz. d. Gen.St., zuletzt Pz.Lehrrgt. (Pz.Lehrabt.), OTL 1.3.43)

Panzerlehrregiment Wünsdorf/Bergen
Kdr
15.04.1939 - 01.02.1940 O Wilhelm Conze (during the Polish Campaign also Kdr. (m.F.b.) Pz.Rgt. 5 – 01.09. – 14.10.1939)
01.02.1940 - Okt 1942 O Eberhard Ostman von der Leye
Okt 1942 - Juli 1943 O Erhard Grosan
Juli 1943 - Okt 1943 O Bernhard Thome
Okt 1943 - Jan 1945 O Rudolf Gerhardt
Jan 1945 - Ende Maj Helmut Hudel


/ Bernd

@chris44 : nice find !
@Peter : Yes, I will add the 31. ID to the page 49 section. I will also have a closer look what is eventually more in this text I quoted. Takes a bit of time.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 14 Aug 2009 21:37

Thanks for this spacious and detailed reply Bernd!

So, the unit designation 6./Pz-Lehr-Rgt is to read : = Pz.-Lehr-Abt. , in Poland = part of Pz.Rgt. 5, resp. 3. Pz.Div.


So 6./Pz-Lehr-Rgt. = which company of Pz-Lehr-Abt.?:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm

Is this Schutzen-Kompanie 6.?
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by chris44 » 14 Aug 2009 21:40

Hi Bernd and Peter

Bernd... excellent research.

it seems to be solved :-)
and Eberhard Hofmann and Hoffmann is the same person.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /PR5-R.htm

Panzer-Regiment 5

Aufgestellt am 15. Oktober 1935 mit zwei Abteilungen und der 3. Panzer-Division unterstellt. Das Regiment wurde aus dem Kampfwagen-Regiment 1 aufgestellt. Bei Kriegsbeginn bestand das Regiment aus 63 Panzer I, 77 Panzer II, 3 Panzer III, 9 Panzer IV und 8 Panzerbefehlswagen. Beim Regiment wurde auch die verstärkte Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung des Panzer-Lehr-Regiment als III. Abteilung eingesetzt. Die Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung gliederte sich dabei in 2 leichte, 1 mittlere Panzer-Kompanie, 1 Schützen-Kompanie, kleiner Kraftwagen-Kolonne für Betriebsstoff, kleiner Kraftwagen-Kolonne und einem Werkstatt-Zug. Nach dem Polenfeldzug verlegte das Regiment nach Westen. Bereits im Herbst 1939 wurden die beiden Kolonnen der Panzer-Lehr-Abteilung (Betriebsstoff bzw. Kraftwagen) als jeweils 10. kleine Kraftwagen-Kolonne an die Gebirgs-Divisions-Nachschubführer 67 und 68 abgegeben. Am 2. Februar 1940 wurde die III. Abteilung als I. Abteilung an das Panzer-Regiment 33 abgegeben.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 14 Aug 2009 21:54

Ok - so now everything is clear. :D

By the way - Uffz. Bolik from this obituary is an interesting case - according to Volksbund:

See his place of death and location of his burial:

Nachname: Bolik
Vorname: Johann
Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier
Geburtsdatum: 15.06.1911
Geburtsort: Katscher
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Laz. S. "Stuttgart"

Johann Bolik konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden.

Die vorgesehene Überführung zum Sammelfriedhof in Stare Czarnowo-Szczecin - Sammelfriedhof (Polen) war somit leider nicht möglich.
Sein Name wird im Gedenkbuch des Friedhofes verzeichnet.


So he died of wounds while being transported by hospital ship "Stuttgart" to Stettin !!! :D

We were previously talking about such cases, mainly me and Bernd!

Here is what I wrote in the thread about German losses (KIA) - I also wrote the same in this thread:

Domen121 wrote:We should count also those who died in hospitals in Stettin, Konigsberg, Hamburg, Breslau, etc. - not only those who died on Polish pre-war territory - because as we established in our thread about KIA German officers, many seriously wounded in Poland in 1939 were transported to hospitals in these places (either by land or by sea - by hospital ships).

If it comes to wounded transported to the Reich by hospital ships:

1. On 12.09.1939 German hospital ship "Berlin" - 15,268 BRT - was sent to Danzig and took 416 wounded German soldiers to the Reich.

2. Between 27.09.1939 and 04.10.1939 ship "Wilhelm Gustloff" took 585 wounded Polish and German soldiers and several wounded German sailors from sunk by Polish submarine "M 85" to the Reich.

3. "Berlin" once again took 133 seriously wounded German soldiers from Pillau (in Eastern Prussia, today in Russia) to Swinemünde (today Swinoujscie in Poland).

4. "Stuttgart" between 13.09.1939 and 17.09.1939 took 161 wounded and sick German soldiers to the Reich.

5. In early October of 1939 "Berlin" took 500 seriously wounded German soldiers to Hamburg.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = up to around 1,500 wounded (mainly seriously wounded) German soldiers.


Now we finally have one of those seriously wounded transported by "Stuttgart"! :)

Moreover, it seems that he carried out some further transports after 17.09.1939 (as Bolik died on 28.09.1939).

And he is buried in Stare Czarnowo cemetary. We are much closer to solving some of the unclear cases now!

/ Peter

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By the way - out of those 18 KIA from 6./Pz.Lehr.Rgt. - according to the Volksbund database:

Oblt. Hoffmann - 18.09.1939 - Lowcza
Uffz. Matzel - 19.09.1939 - b. Lowcza
Uffz. Bruns - 19.09.1939 - Lowcza
Uffz. Bolik - 28.09.1939 - Lazarett S. "Stuttgart", buried in Szczecin
Gefr. Mertes - 18.09.1939 - Lowcza
Gefr. Merz - 19.09.1939 - b. Lowcza
Gefr. Arth - 19.09.1939 - Lowcza
Gefr. Hatt - 18.09.1939 - Lowcza
Obsch. Dubrow - 18.09.1939 - Lowcza
Obsch. Menzel - 18.09.1939 - b. Lowcza
Obsch. Borchers - 18.09.1939 - Lowcza
Obsch. Henkel - 19.09.1939 - Lowcza
Gefr. Meier (Walter) - 19.09.1939 - b. Lowcza

Gefr. Hammer - it cannot be univocally stated (there are several Gefr. Hammers KIA in September 1939 listed)
Obsch. Schmitz - it cannot be univocally stated (there are several Obsch. Schmitzs KIA in September 1939 listed)

Uffz. Degen - such man is not listed by Volksbund
Obsch. Wenck - as above
Obsch. Boettger - as above

If somebody is interested - here I wrote something about combats near locality Lowcza (during the battle of Sawin):

The battle of Sawin - 18.09.1939 - 19.09.1939 - the first (?) defeat of 3rd Panzer-Division:

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=154624&start=15#p1356986

Here about the last part of the battle (Polish counterattack towards Łowcza):

[...]

In the morning on 19.09.1939 Germans resumed their attack towards Chelm Lubelski. But their Kampfgruppe once again encounterred heavy enemy resistance - this time at the outskirts of Sawin, which is about 19 kilometres to the north from Chelm Lubelski.

Thanks to skilful and long resistance of lonely 13th Uhlan Regiment, colonel Sawczynski - commander of the divisional artillery of 41st Infantry Division - managed to gather over 30 artillery guns and concentrate them near Sawin, organizing a fire barrier on time. Around 8:00 AM on 19.09.1939, when Germans finally unfolded their lines and started the assault against the main Polish defensive line - Polish artillery blocked their way with massive barrage of direct fire. When Germans were pressed to the ground and their tanks couldn't advance because of heavy Polish direct artillery fire, Polish infantry started to counterattack. The counterattack was so successful that Germans were rejected to the north as far as behind the locality Łowcza (over 7,000 m to the north from the outskirts of Sawin).

After the Polish counterattack from Sawin succeded and repulsed the Germans 7,000 metres to the north, general Schweppenburg decided to assemble his shaken units at Wlodawa and ordered the Kampfgruppe back on 19.09.1939. The II./S.R.3 withdrew from the area near Łowcza and moved back. 6./P.R.6 was covering the withdrawal of the battalion which was still under pressure of enemy troops. Combats lasted until the sunset on 19.09.1939.

During the night from 19th to 20th of September Germans finally retreated towards Wlodawa and Polish units broke contact with the enemy, stopped chasing him and marched via Chelm Lubelski towards the region of Majdan Ostrowski near Wojslawice - as general Dab-Biernacki ordered. The battle was over.

German casualties on 19.09.1939 amounted to 4 tanks completely lost and over a dozen of tanks, motorized transporters and trucks completely lost in total. Poles also reported capturing many Prisoners Of War.

[...]


Previously I didn't know that also elements of Pz.Lehr.Abt. participated in that battle - now it is certain!

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Bernd R » 15 Aug 2009 11:03

Peter,

thanks for summarizing and more backround about the aspects battle of Sawin and hospital ships [Lazarettschiffe] !

I have added the entry for 31. ID to page 49. There was nothing more detailed and specific about casualties in that text, which belongs to this series (quoted to highlight the work of the author and for completion) :
http://www.garnison.de/

One more result is to excerpt from the text. In a longer arcticle of the Halberstädter Zeitung (1939 most likely) on the Halberstädter artillery in Poland = A.R. 31 - which also reports about the Bzura/Warschau/Weichsel actions after 21 Sep (divide the Polish troops, prevent them to move to the East, etc.), but without casualty details - pp. 57 , it is reported about the death of Major von Stamford on 18 Sep 1939 [page 60]. Confirmed that he in fact was Kdr. I. Abt. / A.R. 31 !
von Stamford Hans, 27.10.1893, Maj., [Kdr. I. Abt./A. R. 31], [31. Div.], 18.09.1939 (i.Pusza Wald nördl.Gorki ), VB, StB 1938


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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 15 Aug 2009 13:44

Hi, if it comes to replacement entries:

Basing on Volksbund (+ missing places of death):

Gäth Ludwig Ernst August, 24.09.1914, Lt., -, -, 09.09.1939 (Lentschütz [= Leczyca]), VB
Garske Franz Stephan, 29.10.1899, Lt. d. R. (Oblt. gem. VB), 9./[I.R.] 368, 207. Div., 12.09.1939, VB (Stara Pila), H. Gru. Nord
Gegens (od. gem. VB Geguns) Horst, 06.10.1910, Obersturmf., SS-Verf. Tr., Pz. Div. Kempf, 13.09.1939 (Lomnica,a.d.Str.Siedlce), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Geisler Richard Karl, 25.11.1881, Obstlt., [Kdr.] I. R. 309, 208. Div., 07.09.1939 (Netzwalde bei Nakel), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Germerdonk Wilhelm, 06.03.1898, Maj., Kdr. III./I. R. 74, 19. Div., 16.09.1939 (b.Bliz-Zlota), VB
Goldbeck Franz, 04.04.1890, Oblt. d. L., 2./[I. R.] 368, 207. Div., 12.09.1939 (im Wald b. Szmelta), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Graeve Heinz, 19.04.1916, Lt., -, -, 12.09.1939 (b. A. 10 km südostw. Welun), VB
Graf Fritz, 18.04.1904, Hptm., I./Flak 61, -, 19.09.1939 (Feldlaz.20, Brest-Litowsk), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Greifeneder Matthias, 05.08.1898, Maj., Kdr. 12./I. R. 131 (StB 1938: Kdr. 4. MG Kp./I. R. 132), 44. Div., 19.09.1939 (Jasniska), VB
Grigo Karl-Heinz, 11.02.1912, Lt., I./I. R. 1, [1. Div.], 15.09.1939 (VB: 14.09., b.Warkocz-Glinki), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Groche Wilhelm, 27.09.1894, Oblt., -, -, 13.09.1939 (Jarantowice, F.Laz.208), VB
von der Groeben Friedrich, 25.07.1881, Hptm. d. R., 10./I. R. 44, 11. Div., 12.09.1939 (Kaluszyn), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Grosse Albrecht, 04.10.1916, Lt., -, -, 12.09.1939 (Wilanow), VB
Grosser Rüdiger, 11.05.1905, Lt., -, -, 17.09.1939 (b. Lublin), VB
Freiherr von Grote Werner, 10.12.1917, Lt., -, -, 25.09.1939 (b. Kaliszki), VB
Grüneberg Walter, 25.05.1908, Lt., -, -, 17.09.1939 (Vw. Trzciany), VB
Grundies Herbert, 06.07.1900, Hptm., Kdr. 1. Kp./I. R. mot. 71, 29. mot. Div., 18.09.1939 (Modlin 12 km südwestl.), VB, J. Lemelsen, J. Schmidt, „29. Division, 29. Infanterie-Division (mot.), 29. Panzergrenadier-Division”
Grunenberg Gerhard, 31.03.1915, Untersturmf., gem. ww2daybyday.com: 2./SS-Rgt. D, SS-Verf. Tr./Div. Kempf, 28.09.1939 (Modlin), VB, nicht in H. Gru. Nord gelistet
Gutzeit Gustav, 02.12.1911, Oblt., 2. (H)/[Aufkl. Gru.] 10, (Luftw.), 07.09.1939 (Psary-Nowiny), VB, H. Gru. Nord

And this part from Nimbus:

Haeublein Gerhard, 03.01.1906, Rittm., [Kdr. 3. (Krdsch.) Kp.] Aufkl. Lehrabt., -, 07.09.1939 (Krs.Krkhs. Lyck/Opr.), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Hansen Peter, 30.09.1894, Oblt., -, -, 10.09.1939 (b. Piatek), VB
Harpprecht Hans Martin, 29.08.1919, Lt., -, -, 18.09.1939 (Bieliny), VB
Hausl Walter, 27.10.1916, Lt., -, -, 04.09.1939 (Kroscienko), VB
Hausmann-Korten Bruno, 05.04.1919, Lt., -, -, 09.09.1939 (Sw. Franciszek), VB
Dr. Heesch Hermann, 24.10.1893, Hptm. d. R., Kdr. 10./I. R. 73, 19. Div., 25.09.1939 (Fort II a ostw.Janow v.Warschau), VB, O. v. Knobelsdorff, „Geschichte der niedersächsischen 19. Panzer-Division 1939 – 1945“
Heinrich Peter, 11.05.1913, Lt., -, -, 27.09.1939 (Warschau-Mokotow), VB
Heldrich Karl Ferdinand, 28.08.1900, Oblt., -, -, 05.09.1939 (Feldlaz. bei Radomsko), VB
Heldt Harry, 06.06.1913, Lt. d. Res., 8./I. R. 5, 2. [mot.] Div., 17.09.1939 (H.V.Pl. Zabinka n.o. Brest Litowsk), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Heller Günter, 08.11.1913, Oblt., -, -, 04.09.1939 (Lelow, 21 km östl. Zarki), VB
Helmerking Heinrich, 14.12.1900, Lt., 12./I. R. 162, 61. Div., 18.09.1939 (VB : 15.09., Remberto[w ?]), VB, H. Gru. Nord.
Henning Rudolf, 12.05.1896, Hptm. d. L., 6./[I. R.] 368, 207. Div., 12.09.1939 (VB: 13.09., b. Kamel, Laz.), VB, H. Gru. Nord.
Herdickerhoff Otto, 03.06.1894, Hptm. d. R., -, -, 11.09.1939 (Ryczywol), VB
Hiller Karl, 09.02.1892, Lt. d. R. (VB: Oblt.), 4./[I. R. 322], 207. Div., 19.09.1939 (VB: 18.09., Kossakau), VB, H. Gru. Nord.
Hilliger Gerhard Max, 24.09.1911, Oblt. d. R., -, -, 09.09.1939 (Jezow nördl.Jasienin Duzy), VB
Höhn Erwin, 26.07.1914, Lt., -, -, 06.09.1939 (Petrikau), VB
Hoffmann Günter (Gunter), 28.01.1914, Lt. d. R., -, -, 27.09.1939 (v.Warschau/Sielce Kreuzg.), VB
von Hohendorff Gero Ernst Dorian Martin, 18.03.1916, Lt., I./Aufkl. R. 8, 10. Pz. Div., 07.09.1939 (vor Lomza / Pol.), VB, H. Gru. Nord
Horn Hans, 16.12.1913, Oblt., -, -, 27.09.1939 (Warschau-Mokotow), VB
Horstmann Paul, 20.02.1897, Hptm., -, -, 10.09.1939 (Gostkow), VB

And here is one misspelling in surname:

Dr. Hack [instead of Haack - Domen] Hans Werner, 12.10.1909, Lt. d. R., -, -, 18.09.1939 (Henrykow), VB

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by chris44 » 15 Aug 2009 23:31

already known....

Commemorative stone placed by Germans in the spot where died Wehrmacht General Werner von Fritsch. Words on the stone: "Here died on 22.9.1939 Generaloberst Freiherr von Fritsch". This marker was removed after WWII.
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 18 Aug 2009 17:48

Hi!

I suggest to replace Schleif´s entry by the following new one:

Schleif Fritz, 26.04.1910, Hptm., St. Kpt. 3./ZG 1, -, 07.09.1939 (Emmerling: d. Flak b. Malkinia u. Absturz b. Myszyniec, Weal: d. Flak b. Deblin, VB: o. O.), VB, John Weal - Messerschmitt Bf110 Zerstörer Aces of World War 2 - S. 19, Marius Emmerling "Luftwaffe nad Polska“

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 18 Aug 2009 17:59

Domen121 wrote:I suggest to replace the following entries in the Research Section 3.3 by new ones (new ones are yet given below):

Deiss Dominikus, 04.08.1899, Lt., -, -, 09.10.1939 (Warschau), VB (mglw. Tippfehler – 09.09.1939)
Dr. von Einsiedel Detlev, 09.03.1902, Oblt., -, -, 19.10.1939 (Warschau), VB (mglw. Tippfehler – 09.09.1939)


I further suggest to be strictly conservative as regards any further shifting from the research section to the masterlist per assumptions only. A shifting of Dr. von Einsiedel is falsified. It was an accident. Here is his GHdA entry:

Dr. iur. Detlev Hildebrand Henning Gustav Ludwig von Einsiedel
* 09.03.1902 Waldenburg (Sachsen)
+ 19.10.1939 Warschau - Unfall
Oblt. d. Res. i. d. AA24

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 18 Aug 2009 22:05

I further suggest to be strictly conservative as regards any further shifting from the research section to the masterlist per assumptions only. A shifting of Dr. von Einsiedel is falsified. It was an accident. Here is his GHdA entry:


Nice spot Jürgen. I wanted to add this statement to his entry (at the same time leaving him listed where he was - so in the Research Section) because it seemed very probable to me that there is a misspelling in his Volksbund entry, but it turns out that there is not. Good finding, everything should be checked. Btw - two further officers to the list:

Nachname: Psenner
Vorname: Anton
Dienstgrad: Oberleutnant
Geburtsdatum: 05.10.1910
Geburtsort: Absam
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 12.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Lodzinka


And this one - from the old ww2 day by day website:

1. Panzerdivision, Polen 1939:

Lt. Graf Dürckheim (2.Sept.39 bei Handstreich auf die Brücke bei Garnek)

Maybe GHdA says something about this man?

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But, Jürgen - if it comes to Julius Büsing for example - why don't you want to add him to the Master List? What still remains unclear? I already explained that Laski - Sierakow is a location in Kampinoska Forest and a battle took place there in the second half of Septembr of 1939. He is clearly listed by VB as killed in 09.1939 near Laski - Sierakow.

The same refers to Rademacher (Bischdorf = Biskupice in Polish) and Weyrauch, who was killed or died in or near Samter (Szamotuly) on 28 IX, which clearly shows that it is related to the German military operations in Poland.

Best regards!
Peter

PS:

At the moment listed in the Research Section (3.1 to 3.3) are 107, not 42.

Of course 107 are listed if including also those from the former 3.4 section, who have been shifted.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 19 Aug 2009 17:48

Hi!

Very busy at the moment. A short reply: Graf Dürckheim does not appear to be KIA in 1939 as he is listed by the same page in the 1940 campaign:
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/gliederunge ... llgelb.htm

And I ask to add Psenner:
Psenner Anton, 05.10.1910, Oblt., -, -, 12.09.1939 (Lodzinka), VB

and please replace the old entry of Dr. Haack with typo (Haack instead of Hack) by the new one:
Dr. Hack Hans Werner, 12.10.1909, Lt. d. R., -, -, 18.09.1939 (Henrykow), VB

Thanks,

Jürgen

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Bernd R » 19 Aug 2009 18:19

The master list is updated (last two edits). New : 2 - new total : 897 / + 107

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 19 Aug 2009 20:19

One new officer - but I couldn't identify this locality:

Nachname: Graeser
Vorname: Hans
Dienstgrad: Leutnant
Geburtsdatum: 27.11.1912
Geburtsort: Breslau
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 01.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Motere


Where is Motere? Probably some misspelling?

PS:

G is almost 100% done (apart from some Gbx, Gvz, etc. - maybe I'll check them later) - I have checked even Grc.

No new findings except the above one and some unclear ones, which I will post later (probably tomorrow).

Surprisingly there was one surname beginning with Grc, by the way (but he is Oberschütze).

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Jürgen - reply to my post about Busing, Weyrauch and others when you have some free time please.

/ Peter

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