Poland 1939: KIA German officers
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New one officer possible.
Lt. (?) Dr. Fritz Wiechmann (?) from 1./A.A.13 (?)
30.09.39. (?)
Here we have foto of his grave. It is written (at reverse of foto) that it is in Siedliska, but most probably it is in Kozłówka palace (next to Siedliska village).
http://www.muzeumzamoyskich.pl
Lt. (?) Dr. Fritz Wiechmann (?) from 1./A.A.13 (?)
30.09.39. (?)
Here we have foto of his grave. It is written (at reverse of foto) that it is in Siedliska, but most probably it is in Kozłówka palace (next to Siedliska village).
http://www.muzeumzamoyskich.pl
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Since 3:08 of this video we can see a photo of a destroyed car of Oberst von Ditfurth at Pilatka:von Ditfurth Wilhelm Dietrich ("Dico"), 22.06.1886, Oberst, [Kdr. K. Sch. R. 9], [3. lei. Div.], 08.09.1939 (Pilatka), Manstein-Verlorene Siege, S. 54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSIEGpFwcjY
There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.
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A bit of supplementary information for:
Concerning whereabouts of his death: he was reported to have been hit by a burst of MG rounds (1 hit in stomach, 2 hits in thigh) and if it wasn't enough alone, a German tank that was driving on reverse apparently did not see him laying on the ground and ran over him...
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According to Mit den Kradschützen in Polen, Erlebnisse der 1 (Kradsch.) Kp. Sch. Rgt. 2 by Oberleutnant Künzel, Rittmeister der Reserve Kleinschmidt was commander of 6. (Kradsch.) Kompanie Schützen-Regiment 2.Kleinschmidt Martin, 08.09.1897, Hptm., -, -, 11.09.1939 (Feldlaz. 45, Tarnow), VB
Concerning whereabouts of his death: he was reported to have been hit by a burst of MG rounds (1 hit in stomach, 2 hits in thigh) and if it wasn't enough alone, a German tank that was driving on reverse apparently did not see him laying on the ground and ran over him...
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One of 1. leichte Division's few Panzerkampfwagen Ausf.B tanks - which equipped only one platoon per battalion - burnt out after taking several hits from Polish anti-tank guns near Warsaw. The commander, Prinz von Ratibor, was killed. Leutnant Viktor IV Albrecht Johannes Josef Michael Maria Prinz von Ratibor von Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst (born 12 February 1916 and was first son of Victor III August and Elizabeth zu Oettingen-Oettingen und Öttingen-Spilberg) was a Zugführer in 2.Kompanie/Panzer-Regiment 11/6.Panzer-Brigade/1.leichte Division/zur Verfügungs.Armeekorps/10.Armee/Heeresgruppe Süd. He was killed in 18 September 1939 (around 20:00) near Warsaw. He was posthumously promoted to Oberleutnant. On that day, during the combat of Pociecha, Polish plutonowy podchorąży (Sergeant) Roman Orlik (2 TK X HP + 1 TKS x 20 mm) was sent with two other tankettes (armed with MG only) to make a recognition of a forest near Puszcza Kampinoska (huge forrests in Poland). Suddenly he heard enemy tanks, so he ordered two other tankettes with MG to hide. He had hidden his tankette and made an ambush for enemy tanks. Three german Panzer 35(t) and few other vehicles appeared. Orlik opened fire and all enemy tanks were destroyed. Germans were fleeing in blind panic and they were shooting in all directions. Orlik managed to escape. Among tanks eliminated by Orlik on 18th of September, there was tank of Leutnant Prinz von Ratibor. The whole of his platoon was eliminated during that combat and this Austrian noble was heavily Wounded and severely burned - and after a few minutes he died. Next day Orlik and his tank did something even greater. He counterattacked (alone!) against German tanks attack and destroyed 7 Panzer 35(t) and took two German POWs! He also tried to rescue the crew of one of those eliminated German tank (by him) - which started to burn - but he, unfortunately, didn't manage to rescue them and all of them died. After that he had ran out of ammo and left battlefield. Roman Orlik (the winner at those two extraordinary days) was Polish university student at architecture departament. In September 1939 he was commander of TKS tankette with 20 mm gun (FK wz. 38 model A) in Wielkopolska Brygada Kawalerii (Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade). He survived the war and was working as an architect. He died in 1982.
Source:
Book "The 6th Panzer Division: 1937-45" by Oberst a.D. Helmut Ritgen, with additional infos from other sites
Source:
Book "The 6th Panzer Division: 1937-45" by Oberst a.D. Helmut Ritgen, with additional infos from other sites
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Supplementary information for:
So we finally have cofnirmation of our previous hunch.
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According to caption on scan below (from expired Ebay auction, most probably from Wolfgang Sawodny's Deutsche Panzerzüge), he was commander of Panzerzug 3.Euen Erich Albert Gustav, 08.02.1914, Oblt., -, -, 01.09.1939 (Bhf. Konitz), VB, nicht in H. Gru. Nord gelistet
So we finally have cofnirmation of our previous hunch.
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Kozłówka is located near Lubartów, more or less in half way from Lublin to Kock:nimbuss wrote:New one officer possible.
Lt. (?) Dr. Fritz Wiechmann (?) from 1./A.A.13 (?)
30.09.39. (?)
Here we have foto of his grave. It is written (at reverse of foto) that it is in Siedliska, but most probably it is in Kozłówka palace (next to Siedliska village).
http://www.muzeumzamoyskich.pl
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Some new data about known officers.
Document of Gen.Kdo.IV A.K. dated 03.10.39.: "Verluste des IV A.K. vom 1-30.9.1939"
There are no names, but I belive it is about these officers:
Lt. Müller, H., Beobachter, 1./(H) 41, 14.9.39. verw. gest.
Ltn.d.R. Halger, zgf.14./I.R.52, 27.9.39.
and there is also another one verm.:
Ltn. Teufel, 20.9.39., zugf.3./Pz.Abw.4 [any info about him after Polenfeldzug?]
Document of Gen.Kdo.IV A.K. dated 03.10.39.: "Verluste des IV A.K. vom 1-30.9.1939"
There are no names, but I belive it is about these officers:
here: verw. 1.9.39. and gest. 2.9.39.Mohrmann Gert Hans, 04.10.1917, Lt., 1/PiBtl 13, -, 01.09.1939 (Feldlaz. 3./542 Lubliegitz), VB, IIa IV Korps AOK10 "Verluste von Offizieren in der Zeit vom 1.-10.9.39"
here: Ord.Offz. I./I.R.101 with date of death 6.9.39.Werner Helmut, 22.07.1915, Lt., I./I. R. 101, 14. Div., 07.09.1939 (Ruda), VB, IIa IV Korps AOK 10 "Verluste von Offizieren in der Zeit vom 1.-10.9.39"
There was a question: 2 or 8 kompanie. Here: 2./I.R.101Vogel Horst, 14.02.1915, Lt. d. R., 2 Kp or 8 Kp/I. R. 101, 14. Div., 04.09.1939 (Maluszyn), VB, IIa IV Korps AOK 10 "Verluste von Offizieren in der Zeit vom 1.-10.9.39"
3./MG-Btl.7Römisch Werner Jacob Emil, 04.05.1916, Lt. d. R., -, -, 17.09.1939, VB
3./MG-Btl.7 and written as GroßerGrosser Rüdiger, 11.05.1905, Lt., -, -, 17.09.1939 (b. Lublin), VB
Fhr.K.G.Zg. 3./A.A.14 and here as Lt.d.R. [anybody knows what does it mean?]Streffer Gert, 15.01.1909, Lt. or Oblt., AA 14, -, 16.09.1939 (Strzeszkowice-Duza), VB, F.Pulkowski "Geschichte des 10 (Preuß) RR"
it is probably this officer:Müller Hellmut, 28.09.1914, Lt., -, -, 14.09.1939, VB
Lt. Müller, H., Beobachter, 1./(H) 41, 14.9.39. verw. gest.
it could be this one, who is listed here as verm.:Halger Otto, 22.06.1905, Lt., -, -, 26.09.1939 (2 km w. Leczna), VB
Ltn.d.R. Halger, zgf.14./I.R.52, 27.9.39.
and there is also another one verm.:
Ltn. Teufel, 20.9.39., zugf.3./Pz.Abw.4 [any info about him after Polenfeldzug?]
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And two more from the same source:
and der Prinz:
here: Oblt.d.R., Kp.offz. 14./I.R.10Schroeter Werner, 21.02.1898, Hptm., -, -, 17.09.1939, VB
and der Prinz:
Kp.offz. 14./I.R.103Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld Carl Franz Ferdinand, 16.07.1903, Lt. d. R., I. R. 103, 4. Div., 26.09.1939 (b. Lublin), GHdA
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Von Egloffstein was a very old German noble family from Prussia dating back to the 15th century.Freiherr von und zu Egloffstein Leonhard, 01.04.1915, Lt., -, -, 22.09.1939, VB
In years 1469 - 1472 brothers Kuntz and Hartung von Egloffstein received ownership of the town of Domnau together with nearby villages, landed estates, cultivated soil, palaces & castles from the Teutonic Order.
Before that, brothers served as mercenaries in the Teutonic army. This was a reward for their service.
Nowadays Domnau is located in the Kalinigrad Oblast of Russia:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domnowo
According to this wiki article, Kuntz von Egloffstein came to the Teutonic State from Franconia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia
There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.
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And a very large military clan. There were 6 FrHr v u z Egloffstein who were Prussian Generals, the most famous being 3 Kaiserliche Gen d Inf who were brothers: Heinrich, Nikolaus and Wilhelm. There was also GenMj Moritz who was in the Bavarian Army in WW1.
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Hello,
found this on ebay:
regards,
Bf110
found this on ebay:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Neubaufahrz ... 53f413369bDipl. Ing. Baumgart Herbert, 28.09.1893, Oberstleutnant, [Kdr. II. Abt./Pz. R. 3], [2. Pz. Div.], 08.09.1939 (Biskupice / Dunajec), VB, Stellenbesetzung 1938
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sterbebild-Offiz ... 43b81f6eb9Schmid Wilhelm Anton Karl, 01.01.1918, Lt., -, -, 20.09.1939, VB
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Elwyn, Done.
Please add these two officers currently from the Research Section:
- Hellmut Wegewitz
- Fritz von Korff
To the Master List. Their death is already confirmed by two sources (for each of them) listed near their entries in the Research Section, but I've found even one more source which confirms their deaths:
http://soldaten.balsi.de/index.php?action=show&id=2786
http://soldaten.balsi.de/index.php?action=show&id=2789
So I'm sure that we can safely add them to the Master List.
Best regards,
Peter
Please add these two officers currently from the Research Section:
- Hellmut Wegewitz
- Fritz von Korff
To the Master List. Their death is already confirmed by two sources (for each of them) listed near their entries in the Research Section, but I've found even one more source which confirms their deaths:
Wegewitz Hellmuth, -, Oblt., Kp Chef 6/ IR 72, 46 ID, 10.10.39 (nach verw. am 01.09.39 bei Lubecko), Militär-Wochenblatt 27/1940, http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.bl ... r72-d.html
Apart from http://www.gliederungundstellenbesetzung and Militar-Wochenblatt, also this database lists them:von Korff Fritz, died from wound in Poland, Militär-Wochenblatt 31/1940, listed as Hptm Korff, Chef 3./A.R.70 according to http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.bl ... r70-d.html
http://soldaten.balsi.de/index.php?action=show&id=2786
http://soldaten.balsi.de/index.php?action=show&id=2789
So I'm sure that we can safely add them to the Master List.
Best regards,

Peter
There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.
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Hello,
there seems to be an answer to this case now
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Torsten
there seems to be an answer to this case now
in http://archive.org/stream/hertaleoleab0 ... 5_djvu.txt:Ballerstädt Werner, 20.09.1919, Lt., -, -, 01.09.1939 (b. Roggenhausen, Kr. Graudenz), VB, nicht in H. Gru. Nord gelistet (mglw. Luftwaffe?)
Werner Ballerstaedt fiel Im Alter von fast 21 Jahren als Leunant 9/IR 3 am 1. September 1939 an der Ossa bei Roggenhausen, Kr. Graudenz.
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And let's add that Roggenhausen is Rogóźno-Zamek in Polish:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog%C3%B3%C5%BAno-Zamek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog%C3%B3%C5%BAno-Zamek
German infantry attacked there with support of I./Pz.Rgt.10. If he was KIA on the northern bank of the Ossa river, then it is probable that he died from artillery fire of 16 pal or while fighting Polish advanced outposts.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog%C3%B3%C5%BAno-Zamek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog%C3%B3%C5%BAno-Zamek
German infantry attacked there with support of I./Pz.Rgt.10. If he was KIA on the northern bank of the Ossa river, then it is probable that he died from artillery fire of 16 pal or while fighting Polish advanced outposts.
There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.
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Hello to all
; a little complement.........
The grave of Maj. Spielvogel.
Source: Deut.Soldatengrab,Kdr.,II.(Schlacht)/LG2,Major Spielvogel,Alt-Rosenberg,Polen,39. ebay auction.
Cheers. Raúl M
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The grave of Maj. Spielvogel.
Source: Deut.Soldatengrab,Kdr.,II.(Schlacht)/LG2,Major Spielvogel,Alt-Rosenberg,Polen,39. ebay auction.
Cheers. Raúl M

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