Poland 1939: KIA German officers

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Njorl » 25 Feb 2014 19:09

Master List wrote:Lang Klaus, 22.03.1917, Lt., -, -, 18.09.1939 (am Südausg. Janow., Str. n. Lemberg), VB
Master List wrote:Wagner Bartholomäus, 22.09.1919, Lt., -, -, 14.09.1939, VB
Both were from Pionier-Bataillon 7.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Diaspora1942 » 27 Feb 2014 20:30

Walther Herbert Richard, 21.07.1904, Lt. d. R., -, -, 08.09.1939, VB

Herbert Walther enlisted in the Wehrmacht on a 12 year contract on the 1st of November 1924. He served his 12 years with merit, and was discharged 31st of October 1936. By this time, he had been promoted up the ranks to Oberfeldwebel. He earned the following awards:

Reichsportabzeichen Bronze
Reichsportabzeichen Silber
Dienstaufzeichnung 4. Klasse
Dienstaufzeichnung 3. Klasse

Miltary service was not over for Herbert Walther though. He was promoted to Leutnant in 1937, and called back for manouvers in 1938/39. And by the time "Fall Weiss" began, he was a Zugführer in S.R 6.

Walthers service in war lasted for a total of 8 days. He was killed in action 08.09.1939 in Radom. It would appear he was posthumously promoted to Oberleutnant.

I just aquired his Wehrpass.
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by history1 » 28 Feb 2014 07:49

Thanks for sharing, Diaspora1942!
Please not that it´s "Dienstauszeichnung" not "Dienstaufzeichnung" ;-)
Aufzeichnung = record
Auszeichnung = award

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 18 Mar 2014 12:32

Nachname: Eggerstorff
Vorname: Fritz
Dienstgrad: Leutnant
Geburtsdatum: 10.01.1919
Geburtsort: Hammerstein
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 19.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Ilow
Source: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=727888
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by nimbuss » 22 Mar 2014 20:25

I don't remember who is responsible for updating an info at page 1 currently, but whoever it is - just do it, please.
It's been a full year without updating now...

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Elwyn W » 23 Mar 2014 16:46

OK. I am away from home for another 2 weeks.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Diaspora1942 » 24 Apr 2014 14:44

Lübbe Daniel Otto Jürgen, 26.11.1910, Oblt.,9. or 10. Kp. ; I.R. 6 , 30. I.D., 10.09.1939, VB
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Diaspora1942 » 24 Apr 2014 14:49

Letter from his commanding officer.
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by JakeV » 25 Apr 2014 14:51

An attempt at translation:
Dear Mr. Lübbe!

In sincere sympathy, on the occasion of the death of Your son, I would like to express how deeply we are all mourning the loss of this excellent soldier and comrade. I had encountered him numerous times during the adcance, discussed with him in length at the deployment area near Trebnitz. It was a pleasure to speak with this passionate, enthusiastic, young officer, with his belief for the future, the warm heart for his soldiers and the enthusiasm at the beautiful task he was assigned. He fell on 10 September during the repulsion of the big polish breakout attempt at the Bzura. His battalion was tasked with the barring of the crossings on the [river] Bzura north of Piatek (circa 25 km. south of Kutno) with the [direction of the] front to the north and was severely attacked from 9 o'clock in the afternoon. It [the battalion] held its positions against much larger forces in hard struggle until the midday of 10 September, whereupon it was orered to retreat to the south. The regimental commander, Oberst [Colonel] [Josef] Reichert, reported to me that Your son truly fought like a hero and became a role model of a leader and an officer for his company. That's how he contributed in his position to the end of the great destruction battle at the Vistula Bend. None of us will ever forget this ideal, courageous and enthusiastic officer, who has secured a lasting place in the history of the Regiment and in the hearts of us all. Further details about his last battles and his death can be disclosed to you from his battalion commander, Hauptmann der Reserve [Captain of the Reserves] Neese.

Personally, I haven't been able to find out more details. On 10 September I was wounded, I held the command of the Division until 14 [September] and I wasn't able to find out details about the operations on 9 and 10.

May the knowledge that Your son fulfilled with boldness his duty and found a hero's death during a great decisive battle for a great purpose, and that his example and memory will live on in all of us, bring consolation to You and Your family.

Please forgive my using the typewriter, my right arm is shattered and I cannot write.

In heartfelt sympathy, I shake Your hand

Yours, truly

[Kurt] v. Briesen
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Diaspora1942 » 16 May 2014 21:25

JakeV:

Thank you very much for the translation! I must say, knowing in detail what this document says makes this little grouping even more special for me! Thanks, once again!

Just realized: Lübbe and Walther (from my previous post) must have known each other? Same regiment, both were Leutnants, and killed just a few days apart!

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 19 May 2014 02:20

Just realized: Lübbe and Walther (from my previous post) must have known each other? Same regiment
Walther was actually from another regiment (and another division) - he was from S.R.6 (not I.R.6):

Schützen-Regiment 6.:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... vSR6-R.htm

It was part of 2. Leichte-Division in 1939. It indeed fought in the region of Radom on 08.09.1939.

On the other hand, Infanterie-Regiment 6. (in which Lübbe served) was part of 30. Infanterie-Division.
Walther was killed in action 08.09.1939 in Radom.
Actually, one of documents you posted says that he fought (and was killed) near Skarżysko Książęce on 08.09.1939.

This is in the broadly defined area of Radom (and Germans considered those combats as part of the "battle of Radom").

Villages Skarżysko Książęce and Barak are located between cities of Skarżysko-Kamienna and Szydłowiec.

Here is a thread about that fight on Polish odkrywca forum:

http://www.odkrywca.pl/bitwa-pod-baraki ... 49355.html

There is a map (red = motorized-armored column from German 2. Leichte-Division; green = part of Polish 36. Inf.Div.):

Image

And some graves:

Image

Image

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"Szydłowiec County in photography":

http://www.szydlowiecpowiat.pl/img_/alb ... ficzny.pdf
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 24 May 2014 02:38

Peter K wrote:Walther was actually from another regiment (and another division) - he was from S.R.6 (not I.R.6):

Schützen-Regiment 6.:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... vSR6-R.htm
And here: Image

We can see that Walther was part of 3./K.S.R.6 in period 01.08.1939 - 08.09.1939.

So he was from 3rd squadron.

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One of photos I posted above, shows graves of 4 soldiers from 8./K.S.R.6 killed in that fight - probably crew of IG.

8th squadron was heavy / suppport weapons squadron.
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Diaspora1942 » 04 Jun 2014 14:41

Peter K: Thank you very much for the information, and for your great research on this subject!

I can se now that they where in totally different units, guess i just wanted it to be like this and didnt notice the difference!

Once again, thank you :)

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 12 Jun 2014 07:37

The grave of Leutnant der Reserve Dr. Volkmar Frobenius from 9.Kompanie / Gebirsjäger-Regiment 100...

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... otos/page5
http://www.volksbund.de/index.php?id=17 ... f50227cf19
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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Peter K » 20 Jun 2014 11:52

Thank you AlifRafikKhan!

But: Dobrostany, Soviet Union... :? 8O :lol:

So those entries from 1939 with Todesort written as just "Soviet Union" (but without precise location provided) were actually KIA in Eastern Poland. :lol: I guess we need to restore these 1939 "Soviet Union" deaths to the Research Section of our list... :wink: I remember that there were some officers reported by Volksbund online database as killed in "Soviet Union" in 1939.

Just like there are some officers listed as dead in "Polen", also without any precise location given.
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